Better a slave to something that knows exactly what it wants (my penis), than a slave to something that only sometimes knows what it wants/needs (my brain). Man’s brain can get addicted to things by his actions. Man’s penis is addicted naturaly. Which is better, natural or unnatural?
[quote=“crystaleye”]
I wonder how many men would still be that interested in women after they removed their make-up and push-up bras.[/quote]
Me. I always feel I great sense of relief and my libido stirs anew as soon as I take off my bra. So restricting, I find.
[quote=“sandman”][quote=“crystaleye”]
I wonder how many men would still be that interested in women after they removed their make-up and push-up bras.[/quote]
Me. I always feel I great sense of relief and my libido stirs anew as soon as I take off my bra. So restricting, I find.[/quote]
Funny! I feel the same 
Aristotle was married to a woman named Pythias, and had a daughter (also named Pythias). Beethoven had several romantic relationships, which ended for complex social reasons. Nietzsche may not have been celibate (it is hard to know, but he did contract syphilis), and did not teach celibacy. Whether Michelangelo was celibate is unclear and debated. Several figures on your list are legendary or mythological.
Unnatural by far
Unnatural by far[/quote]
This argument seems to have descended into pure williness.
OP, I’d much rather be a slave to my sexual desires than to yours, to tell you the truth.
better sex desire than drug desire, I tell you. (not from personal experience as I am not addictive type, but from watching friends descend into hell). I dunno, do you feel like a slave to your stomach? to your sleepy brain? to your tired body? to your full bladder? to you GI tract? is it a bad thing?
and as for that list, just because they never wrote (or talked) about having sex doesn’t mean they never had it. pure speculation either way.
[quote=“crystaleye”][quote=“Jack Burton”]This has been covered a long long time ago by Socrates (or Plato) in Phaedrus and the metaphor of chariot/horses. Suggest it as a good read.
soul, says Socrates, is like the “natural union of a team of winged horses and their charioteer”. While the gods have two good horses, everyone else has a mixture: one is beautiful and good, while the other is neither
That’s why some societies became misogynistic after rejecting women as waste of time (ie slave to desire) to pursue higher things like philosophy, science, accomplishment and maybe pederasty. Of course, that may be overcompensating.[/quote]
There isn’t any difference between homosexuality and heterosexuality when it comes to sexual desires. Both involve pleasuring your dick at the expense of everything else regardless of whether it be with a male or female.
Socrates and Plato both eschew sex and encourage celibacy as a way of life.
The question is, why would such high-level thinkers think that sex is harmful to them? Why would that be the case?[/quote]
Think neurology! It’s not your dick, it’s your brain you are pleasuring. And in your brain homo/hetero are rather different.
Somehow the OP creeps my out… combination of some serious issues and of warping reality to deal with them in a really bad way.
Crystaleye, just suppose you were able to liberate yourself from the so-called “slavery” of your sexual desires, what would you have gained?
What is it that you would be then free to do?
It seems to me that freedom from sth entails freedom to do sth that you otherwise could not do.
But what is that, I wonder.
Am I missing something obvious?
Socrates: unhappily married, but happily on the down-low (okay, the “up-high”–it was a public thing, after all); admitted that he was not an expert in anything “except erotics.”
Plato: Similarly bi. (Hence the saying, “You can make it with Plato.”)
Aristotle: Should have succeeded Plato as head of the Academy, but suffered discrimination because of his sexual orientation (straight). You might say he just “didn’t fit in.”
I think the OP comes from a background where this so-called morality was drilled into him as the right way to live. And he’s going thru an identity crisis and he’s disappointed in himself because he can’t help being victim to these desires. This is part of being a male. If I didn’t feel this way when I saw a pretty girl my life would NOT be better. But at the same time I’m not a slave to my sexual desires since I don’t spend all of time chasing the next easy shag.
I expect the OP to deny this completely but imo that is part of the denial that he’s living in.
When you get older, you’ll pray to the fertility gods for some of that sexual desire back. (So far, I know this only from observation, but there’s a reason why Viagra sells like hotcakes). The only thing worse than waking up every morning with morning wood is going to bed one evening and finding that wood don’t rise a tall tree no more.
Pardon my mixed metaphors.
[quote=“adikarmika”]Crystaleye, just suppose you were able to liberate yourself from the so-called “slavery” of your sexual desires, what would you have gained?
What is it that you would be then free to do?
It seems to me that freedom from sth entails freedom to do sth that you otherwise could not do.
But what is that, I wonder.
Am I missing something obvious?[/quote]
When you lose control of your thoughts at the sight of deep cleavages or beautiful faces, do you call this loss of control “freedom”?
[quote=“Abacus”]I think the OP comes from a background where this so-called morality was drilled into him as the right way to live. And he’s going thru an identity crisis and he’s disappointed in himself because he can’t help being victim to these desires. This is part of being a male. If I didn’t feel this way when I saw a pretty girl my life would NOT be better. But at the same time I’m not a slave to my sexual desires since I don’t spend all of time chasing the next easy shag.
I expect the OP to deny this completely but imo that is part of the denial that he’s living in.[/quote]
I am proud to claim that I have weaned off my sexual desires 90%. Disappointed? Hardly.
My life is now much better because I am beginning to see through the illusions of make-up and push-up bras.
[quote=“crystaleye”]
I am proud to claim that I have weaned off my sexual desires 90%. Disappointed? Hardly.
My life is now much better because I am beginning to see through the illusions of make-up and push-up bras.[/quote]
Are yuo saying that sexual desires are linked only to make-up and push-ups? Can’t you have constant sexual desires for women who look natural?
Sure, as long as they gots on boots!
[quote=“crystaleye”][quote=“Abacus”]I think the OP comes from a background where this so-called morality was drilled into him as the right way to live. And he’s going thru an identity crisis and he’s disappointed in himself because he can’t help being victim to these desires. This is part of being a male. If I didn’t feel this way when I saw a pretty girl my life would NOT be better. But at the same time I’m not a slave to my sexual desires since I don’t spend all of time chasing the next easy shag.
I expect the OP to deny this completely but imo that is part of the denial that he’s living in.[/quote]
I am proud to claim that I have weaned off my sexual desires 90%. Disappointed? Hardly.
My life is now much better because I am beginning to see through the illusions of make-up and push-up bras.[/quote]
No wonder the population of Taiwan is shrinking.
Yeah, i’d like a slave for my sexual desires.