There is this muslim imam, he has two wifes and 8 children per wife … polygamy is illegal in France, mind you …
… someone calculated how much the happy polygamist family of 19 would get on social incentives/welfare, including childsupport benefits, single mother benefit for one of the wifes, unemployment benefits e.o. thet total comes to 8,947.43 EURO/month … taxfree …
Some stories on Mr. imam …
Ah, socialism at its finest.
that is why we hope,ohhhh yes we so hope that sarkosy is going to stop this kind of shit from happening.
i think it’s too late now,the tree is crooked already,but hope can’t hurt
The reason polygamy is…well, not legal, but acknowledged for the purpose of welfare payments, is that France once took over Algeria. That gave them a certain responsibility, they figured, to respect the existing culture. (Unfortunately,the French didn’t assimilate well enough into Algerian culture, apparently.)
Is the problem that the imam has two wives, that he has too many kids, or that he is receiving too much money from the government? Or is the problem that he is a Muslim? How would we feel about a Frenchman sleeping with his wife AND his secretary? Scandalized? Ooo la la!
that a lot of drivel you post 
no wonder you don’t have any credibility in IP
it certainly isn’t “acknowledged”,if the 2 women are getting payments it’s simply through falsified paperwork and general cheating of the system for which those benefits were originally intended for
what the fuck has is got to do with it all,i first wondered,but you explain your thoughts with some more crap like:
whether france respected the existing culture as far as what was happening in and within algeria isn’t a debate to start in this thread,
but we are talking about an imam who LIVED IN FRANCE.
any foreign citizen who set-up life in france was expected to adapt and conform to the way French lived ,period.
[quote=“Screaming Jesus”](Unfortunately,the French didn’t assimilate well enough into Algerian culture, apparently.)
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what a retarded comment!
if you had an ounce of an inkling as to what has gone on in both france and algeria during and after the colonization,you wouldn’t spew feces of the sort.
the french,and the govt don’t have to adapt to the immigrants,but the immigrants to france.
[quote=“Screaming Jesus”]
Is the problem that the imam has two wives, that he has too many kids, or that he is receiving too much money from the government? [/quote]
a bit of all this yes,unfortunately he’s not an isolated case and the vault has been bled dry by scums like him
(many are french nationals too)
you really do know sod all don’t you?
france has a history of welcoming foreigners ,no matter the color or religion,
many of those emigrants contributed hugely in making france the strong nation it once was,but eventually the system was abused and many saw an opportunity to leech.
and that’s the cherry topping your cake of shite i suppose?
:bravo: :bravo: :bravo:
Dablindfrog,
If I may be so bold sir, I would like to make a few helpful suggestions. Before you accuse others of lacking credibility, you might consider changing your avatar. It’s hard to take someone seriously whose insignia is a video of a guy stuffing a gun in his trousers, drying humping the air and shooting everybody. I would also humbly suggest you learn to use proper punctuation, type in coherent sentences, and perhaps even organize your tirades into logically divided paragraphs. As a final thought, it might also be useful to not rant and rave like a crazed maniac. People tend to take one more seriously when one relies on the persuasiveness of his argument, rather than its let us say, robust language.
Most Humbly Your Servant,
Gao Bo Han
The reason Algeria is relevant is because many of the Muslims who are in France, are descended from people who came over from Algeria back when Algeria also counted as France.
My understanding is that social workers in France will “look the other way” in the case of polygamous families without marriage documents. I think there are some older families who have been grandfathered in, from a time when polygamy was allowed.
It is an interesting and open question, how much someone from one culture ought to adapt while resident amidst people from another. (Would it matter if his own culture were a minority everywhere? Not that that’s the case here…) But surely religion and family patterns would be considered among the most basic elements of one’s culture, and the last ones which an immigrant should be expected to discard…? (Of course the welfare payments are another issue.)
Are you really quite sure that France is a fair and welcoming place for Muslims? Many of them apparently believe themselves to be discriminated against. I wonder if the two sides’ expectations of one another are out of sync?
I wonder why it is all other immigrant groups besides Muslims are able to integrate into European nations. Why is everyone’s first reaction to blame the host society?
You’ve read the Qur’an. You know a lot about Islam. You know how frequently nonbelievers are villified in the Qur’an and how Muslims have traditionally perceived nonbelievers (as either subjects or enemies). How can they possibly integrate into non-Muslim nations while retaining their beliefs?
Oh, in situations like this I tend to blame everybody.
Sure, the Qur’an contains a lot of talk about jihad and such. Normal Muslims don’t take this as a suggestion to actually go out and kill people, any more than Christians burn witches after reading Leviticus. (Well okay, it’s happened, but it’s not what we expect from the church next door.) If Muslims are committing violence in large numbers, it’s probably not because they got religious all of a sudden (most drink alcohol, for example), but for some social reason. Yes, this is still a serious problem, but it’s a different problem.
I agree that North Africans have integrated less well than other groups such as East Europeans. A part of this may be sheer numbers, or the result of war/cultural clashes/discrimination, but the social mechanisms of North African Muslims do seem ineffective compared to (for example) the situation of the Turks and Kurds in Germany. Is this because Algerians are more “fundamentalist” than (mostly secular) Turks and Kurds, or because they are poorer, or because of the details of French secularism and/or centrism, or what?
Agreed, but the Qur’an dedicates a lot of paper to the wickedness of unbelievers…a hell of a lot more than to jihad. On another thread in here (from several months ago I think), there were videos of a huge mosque in Birmingham, England. The imam was…you guessed it, vilifying unbelievers, and backing up his arguments with Quranic verses. And nobody made any protest and they came back to see this guy again and again, filling the mosque. I think Muslims’ failure to integrate has far more to do with their general perception of nonbelievers than some random verses about jihad.
Even in Muslim countries the relationships between Muslims and the kufaar can be pretty shaky. Even in Egypt we have well-respected, popular muftis insisting that Muslims never be placed under the supervision of unbelievers. I realize that is hardly the reality of international companies operating in Egypt, but the fact these muftis are raising the issue at all is proof Muslim spiritual leaders still take a very dim view of unbelievers. If that kind of attitude exists in a predominatly Muslim country, it’s not hard to imagine why Muslims react so negatively to their minority status in non-Muslim countries.
The point is that many are not integrating … but happily accepting the money … and it’s not only about muslims, but this is case was so outspoken …
Yes and I used to go to a church where they convinced the youth group that all other denominations of Christianity (as well as obviously any other religion) except Baptist were really serving Satan. They found plenty of Bible verses to back up their claims.
They also happen to run one of the largest Protestant schools for children from preK to 12th grade in my home state.
No one is telling them they are are wrong either. Go figure. 
But most of the people of this church blend in with the local populace as far as skin tone so no one is already suspicious of what they are teaching kids.
And as someone who did spend time in France, albeit, not my life, but a few months as a student, I had a first-hand glimpse on discrimination against African immigrants. I was lucky my American accent showed through enough to only be treated as another annoying American, rather than as poorly as they were treated.
And France is all encompassing of its foreigners? Is that why they formed societies to preserve the purity of their language from being invaded by foreign languages? Why people still complain that their culture is being compromised by immigrants and why it is probably one of the least integrated cultures in Western Europe?
Dablindfrog,
If I may be so bold sir, I would like to make a few helpful suggestions. Before you accuse others of lacking credibility, you might consider changing your avatar. It’s hard to take someone seriously whose insignia is a video of a guy stuffing a gun in his trousers, drying humping the air and shooting everybody. I would also humbly suggest you learn to use proper punctuation, type in coherent sentences, and perhaps even organize your tirades into logically divided paragraphs. As a final thought, it might also be useful to not rant and rave like a crazed maniac. People tend to take one more seriously when one relies on the persuasiveness of his argument, rather than its let us say, robust language.
Most Humbly Your Servant,
Gao Bo Han[/quote]
this particular issue is the one and only that chaps my ass,it is the main reason as to why i do not live in france and probably won’t ever again.
so i tell it like it is…big deal,and FYI i’m not running for president,so popularity or credibility are the last of my worries.
his post was full of it and he knows it,his other comments were a lot more educated. :raspberry:
Your strong feelings are noted. I assure you that my comments were sincere, though perhaps mistaken on various points. If you wish to humiliate / enlighten me, you might point out my errors of fact or reasoning.
i thought i did a bloody good job in my 1st reply,so go back and re-read
Apparently they have the same problem with fundamentalist Mormon polygamists in Arizona and Utah- the extra wives all go on welfare.
And isn’t this guy violating Islamic beliefs? Unless he’s acting charitably and his second wife was a widow who needed support- which he apparently can’t provide anyway- he shouldn’t marry again unless he can afford another wife.
I don’t know in France but in Belgium, clerics, imams, priests, pastors, rabbis, if registered they are paid by the government … it’s a public function …
But he can afford it! “There’s the welfare check dear(s), right on time as usual. Let’s have some more babies.”