From the Texas thread - the debate over the nature of debate

[jdsmith]

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@mofangongren

Bush’s words seem clear to me.

And you speak for yourself, but you, seemingly like Sheehan assume that all people do or should agree with you, and if they don’t something is wrong with them.

Whether or not he expresses himself clearly is a problem he’ll have to face, but don’t expect me to cut him a lot of slack when he talks up the sacrifices he’s willing for others to make in an unjustified war.

I feel the war was justified. You seem to forget this. Your opinion is not ubiquitous.

If he wants to crap on Sheehan in public speeches and do so in an unclear way, then he’d better get his thinking cap screwed back on.

WHERE!? I posted that link. Where did he crap on her? He was as polite as he should have been.

He was willing to pursue a very much “optional” war without doing the due diligence that we would normally expect from a president embarking upon one of the most solemn acts a leader can take.

How can you possibly make this assertion? Do you have the background or relevant experience to support this?

If you want me to “understand” a point of view that includes using 1,800+ dead and 15,000+ wounded to pursue a man’s private obsession, then frankly I cannot. I was raised an American, not a North Korean.

Then I guess you can’t understand the need to go to WWII either. Noone wants to say “ONLY 1800 dead in two years? Fucking A that’s great.” I think the lack of enormous numbers of deaths says a lot about the readiness of our troops, despite equiptment setbacks. They do a great job that I would, and did not envy.

And to say that Iraq and Saddam was a private obsession is crapola. I guess the Saudis disagree too huh? Maybe the Kuwaitis? The flacid UN security council, who wanted to do something, but couldn’t swing it.

There are a lot of people in the world who feel this war is a good thing, despite the stumblings, for the ME region, and the world at large. Several of them post here. But because they, myself included, feel that way, we are regulated by you to “neocon warmonger” status.

Blah.

I liked you better when you said you disagreed with the war because it was bad for the US economy. At least then I could see your POV.

Blah.