It’s has never been a human right anywhere. There is a right to have a citizenship. wasn’t granted dual citizenship and had no way to resume when I renounced. Australia in any case did not allow dual citizenship before 2002 and resumption before mid 2011.
So as you can see, it isn’t a right. I believe there are around 64 countries that presently allow dual citizenship out of 195 plus countries.
Maybe not a right in the sense of a human right (I think no one really argued that way) - but if a country like Taiwan is serious about attracting foreign talent, it would simply be something they need to offer.
If they don’t, they don’t really need to be surprised if many foreigners will reconsider staying in Taiwan for the long term if that means they would need to give up their original citizenship.
Apart from vote what can you not do on an APRC Gold Card that I can as a citizen. I bought property, got a mortgage, credit cards, car loans, all in the early 1990’s before I was a citizen.
I got rejected for loans as a citizen lol.
Could ask people like @fifieldt if he would still stay in Taiwan without having dual citizenship without renouncing. Let’s not forget for men under 36 they are not likely to want to do military service either, something a young Fifieldt was exempt from.
Taiwan will never compete with Bali where millions of foreigners who cannot get residency or credit cards mortgages etc reside on the non resident business social visa class and work remotely. Or where like Taiwan they just do visa runs.
I don’t know why other people want to move here except for a few exceptions of forumosa members I have met personally. Fuzzy BBQ wrote why he moved here from Germany. Others moved here because they have a partner from Taiwan. I moved here cause I thought it was a good idea to resign from the foreign service to run a business.
Taiwan doesn’t have the attractions of Thailand also. Or the EU where EU citizens can move from one EU country to another. Taiwan is like a quirk of nature. It has high tech industries and a financial system with laws that are no on par with other countries like HK or Singapore London etc so Taiwan will never become a financial hub of Asia. Yet billions of dollars of investments flow into and out of Taiwan.
You can do (virtually) anything on ARC but with endless arguments. Citizenship helps to skirt the arguments.
I would be for a non-discriminatory ID system as an acceptable alternative.
When I was on an ARC the first answer I got was no you are a foreigner you can’t have it. OK it was annoying and wasted lots of time. But I used that time to get what I wanted. It was frustrating for sure. I used every rejection as a reason to make one more step and break that refusal spell. Then I laughed in delight at those who told me I would not succeed.
I Love Taiwan, where dreams come to die if you do not get off your sorry arse to get things done. Woe is me forever was not on my resume.
BTW I Have had to complain about that rickart bank. They require I put in the name of the elementary school I went to in Taiwan to open an account. I mean ffs they don’t ask foreigners that. I shot off an email and posted on their website I am an citizen who was educated overseas. So I cannot complete the application as it is mandatory to answer that question. What does where I did elementary school have to do with opening an account FFS.
I will need to write a complain to the FSC and MOI about discrimination for non Taiwan educated citizens. Oh the humanity.
you cannot receive many, if not most, of welfare if you are a foreigner without a spouse with HHR.
Hold my beer! XD
I don’t disagree with you. It’s true many countries don’t officially support dual-citizenship, and yes it may not be a basic right.
The reason I said these are basic things is because if you asked 9 out of 10 people in e.g. India/Pakistan (let’s say professionals) where they wanted to immigrate, if they had full freedom of choice, the top answers you are likely to get are US, Canada, Australia and so on…
So, from the perspective of a south asian engineer/professional, who has the ability to immigrate (with family) to one of these top migrant destinations, Taiwan doesn’t fare well, and Taiwan does have to compete for the same talent pool.
I don’t deny, some of the items are challenging to get in those countries too e.g. long application times, quotas etc… But it’s because too many people want to go there (and they already have significant immigrant populations). It’s a nice problem to have when you can restrict as much as you like, filter as much as you like because you have so many people to choose from.
Compared to Canadian PR, e.g. APRC is incredibly efficient (or so I have heard). Same can be said for Taiwanese citizenship. The process is perhaps faster than getting one in the US or Canada. But how many people are waiting in queue to get a Taiwanese citizenship ?
Since the people I connect with are often Indian/Pakistan/Arab professionals, I speak from that perspective. I love Taiwan, and as some who has travelled to all those places, I feel content with my decision. But it’s a very hard sell, e.g. if I find it hard to sell the idea of immigration to Taiwan to another Indian/Pakistani professional who was planning to go to (or already in) a place like US/Canada/Australia etc.
And Taiwan makes it quite obvious that it wants people from these countries to immigrate to Taiwan … if they can’t convince emigrants from other countries to go to Taiwan instead of the US/Canada/Aus how can Taiwan expect to convince those countries own citizens to stay in Taiwan permanently.
Obviously some do but it’s a very small amount of the entire immigrant population of Taiwan.
I wanted to make Taiwan work long term and I still ended up leaving. And I’m just one guy who doesn’t mean that much in the scheme of things… I’m sure there are plenty of others like me who tty for a while and eventually move on
Interestingly Taiwan is one of them!
Too bad their rules are not applied evenly or fairly.
Guy
And yet, a lot of people choose to work in Bali (Indonesia), Thailand or Singapore or numerous Asian countries that are a lot more exclusionary in offering longer-term integration without renouncing.
If Taiwan wants to attract a sliver of such talent, they’ll need to make it slightly easier, because they don’t have the sea, sun, and fun of some of these places. But do they need to? They have robust industry that feeds on educated engineers that work for cheap. Where do Johnny Yank or American/European notions of equality come into play?
What made Taiwan interesting for me, as I’ve stated on so many threads, was its lack of rules and its upward mobility in interesting sectors, something very attractive for an early 20s grad. I was writing speeches for the ROC President literally one month arriving off the plane. When you make Taiwan a “fair-tocracy” you really make it a less appealing destination on some fronts. It’s fair enough really. If it becomes completely rule based, won’t wages be offered on the same terms as locals?
Give me the old days vs. Turtonism type of crusading. 
wages will be offered based on market value. If you are from Malaysia, moving to TW will be upwprd mobility, if you are from SF its a downgrade.
there is no shortage of TW talent flowing out to richer countries.
Doesn’t need to abide by the socialist ideas in Europe. They go to Singapore don’t they? People follow the money. Once we grow rich enough they’ll come in droves.
I’ll give it another 10 years before we see large number of Europeans coming in.
But are Malaysians complaining about lack of fairness? Given their bumiputera subsidies, I am guessing “fuck no.” It’s the downgrade demographics that are complaining is it not?
How long has Taiwan been trying position itself as the Asian Global Operations Centre?
You laugh but salaries in semiconductors are higher here than anywhere in Europe besides maybe Switzerland, Luxembourg and Norway. It wasn’t true 10 years ago. Recently a coworker switched companies because apparently 2 million wasn’t enough for a fresh MSc grad. Another one is leaving soon too.
you are guessing because you dont know any Malaysians working in TW? I know the Malaysian expats arent on this forum in the same amount as North Americans, but my guess is they complain about the same obstacles as the rest…
And I am saying that would be uber hypocrisy given the racial-quota constructions in Malaysia that heavily favor the ethnic Malays. Both economically and politically. If a Malay complained about Taiwan, I would laugh and say fix your own backyard first in terms of exclusionary policy.
What if that’s why they left the country?
Ethnic Chinese leaving Malaysia for Taiwan and then being Turtony-activist? I think they would find that speaking the same language, knowing large parts of the Chinese culture, Overseas Chinese Commission ties, etc. make them much easier to integrate than Johnny Canuck. I don’t think they would be the ones complaining but have an open mind. It’s generally entitled Americans, Canadians, or Europeans thinking it should be more like home. But being like home wasn’t why I came to Taiwan many decades ago. It was the exoticness of it. 
And sure they’ll be special economic migrants that are sought after everywhere—but are they the majority?
I guess I think it is cheeky for educational services employees from abroad to seek vast changes to the society they live in because national treatment would mean they would need to compete so much more stringently for their positions. Taiwan is a competitiveness society as we see in terms of university enrollment, job applications, etc.
It seems to me, Western activists want all the benefits but none of the toil? 
And those that do toil and successfully navigate the land as it is (not as how it could be), such as SatTV, are often ridiculed or held in contempt by the activists.