Grammar: There is There are

This must have been done before, but can’t find it.
From a student’s homework

“There is/are a thousand dollars on the table.”

I’d pick “is” because I generally go with the rule of proximity:
There is a knife and a spoon.
There is a knife and two spoons.
There are two spoons and a knife.

I know some people do it logically:
A knife and a spoon = two things= “There are a knife and a spoon.”

It should be ‘are’ a thousand dollars. I would also use ‘are’ for all of your spoon and knife examples as the objects are plural in each.

Turn it around and it’s easier.

A thousand dollars are on the table.

A thousand dollars is on the table.

Dollars is plural so it needs a plural verb.

No no no. Only make it plural if you’re talking about a number of dollars.

Unless you have a thousand one-dollars on the table, you use the singular: there’s a thousand dollars on the table.

There are a thousand pencils on the table. There is a thousand dollars.

There are more than one way to skin a cat.

And, it’s “talk like a pirate” day.

Aar, Arr!

[quote=“urodacus”]There are more than one way to skin a cat.

And, it’s “talk like a pirate” day.

Aar, Arr![/quote]

No self-respecting pirate would say Arr :unamused: . It’s Yarr. I read it in a grammar book.

:eh:
A thousand dollars is a SUM of money… and sums of money are singular. Therefore you should say “There is a thousand dollars on the table.”, “There is fifty dollars in my wallet.”, “A hundred dollars is all the money I have left.”, etc. Ex Animo is right. If you say “There are a thousand dollars on the table.” it’s like saying “There are a thousand one-dollar bills on the table.” There’s my :2cents:

The correct expression is “There WERE a thousand bucks on the table but now all your bananas is MY bananas and in my wallet, so suck on that Big Boy”.

[quote=“Ex Animo”]No no no. Only make it plural if you’re talking about a number of dollars.

Unless you have a thousand one-dollars on the table, you use the singular: there’s a thousand dollars on the table.

There are a thousand pencils on the table. There is a thousand dollars.[/quote]

Yes, you make it plural if you are talking about the number of dollars…one thousand is a number. Dollars are countable. It should be ‘There are a thousand dollars.’

I’m not sure if you are American, but Americans are notorious for making this is/are mistake with the dummy ‘there’ subject. I think it may be because they conjugate it as ‘There’s’ with practically every object whether it’s singular, plural, countable, uncountable…it’s generally accepted in the US but is incorrect nonetheless.

Wow…I really don’t understand this grammatical logic, no offense!

The only time I would use ‘is’ with a multiple dollar amount would be if I were to say, "There is a fifty dollar bill in my wallet.’ I use the singular ‘is’ because I am referring to the bill, not to the amount of money.

有一千塊在桌上.

Screw the is/are verbiage. :discodance:

I would say, There is a 1000 dollars on the table. In that way I would be talking about the currency of dollars. However, I would say, There are 1000 dollar bills on the table, to talk about the individual things.

Is/Are is/are a very tricky thing to teach.

[quote=“superking”]I would say, There is a 1000 dollars on the table. In that way I would be talking about the currency of dollars. However, I would say, There are 1000 dollar bills on the table, to talk about the individual things.

Is/Are is/are a very tricky thing to teach.[/quote]

If we’re talking NT, your first sentence would actually be: There is a thousand dollar bill on the table.

Or, in the old days, we would say: There is the old generalissimo’s cockface bill on the table :thumbsup:

I’m getting the feeling there are US/Commonwealth differences at work here, as isn’t unusual with mass noun type issues. “There are a thousand dollars” sounds right to me.

Yip.

The next couple eliminated is…
The next couple eliminated are…

BOTH of those are acceptable, depending upon which sod of earth you happen to live upon.

The West Midlands police force are a bunch of tossers.
The West Midlands police force is a bunch of tossers.

These two sentences are both correct and true.

Also, think about the contraction…

1)There’re are bunch on notes on the table.
2)There’s a bunch of notes on the table.
1)There’re are 1000nt on the table.
2)There’s 1000nt on the table.

Contraction 2 sounds better to mine ears.

Just teach your students to stop asking such questions. :smiley: Countable vs uncountable stops at sheep, chocolate and stuff in the house. Pre-int level people really don’t need to fuss quite so much.

A thousand dollars is a SUM of money… and sums of money are singular. Therefore you should say “There is a thousand dollars on the table.”, “There is fifty dollars in my wallet.”, “A hundred dollars is all the money I have left.”, etc. Ex Animo is right. If you say “There are a thousand dollars on the table.” it’s like saying “There are a thousand one-dollar bills on the table.” There’s my :2cents:[/quote]

:bravo: :bravo: :bravo:

By jove I think he’s got it!

[quote=“Confuzius”][quote=“Tiger Mountaineer”]:eh:
A thousand dollars is a SUM of money… and sums of money are singular. Therefore you should say “There is a thousand dollars on the table.”, “There is fifty dollars in my wallet.”, “A hundred dollars is all the money I have left.”, etc. Ex Animo is right. If you say “There are a thousand dollars on the table.” it’s like saying “There are a thousand one-dollar bills on the table.” There’s my :2cents:[/quote]

:bravo: :bravo: :bravo:

By jove I think he’s got it![/quote]

Context:

a: Do you have the money I asked for?
b: Yes, there are 1000 dollars on the table.

I almost made exactly the same post as Tiger until I started to think about why I might say it that way.

Indiana’s “dummy” noun throws off the way we hear/say the plurality/singularity of the verb.

Nonetheless, “dollars” is plural. Dollars are. However, our singular article, “a,” would indicate a singular noun, or a singular AMOUNT: thousand. So if we had, “A thousand dollars is on the table,” this would be correct.

But what the OP actually has is, “There _____ a thousand dollars on the table.” The “dummy noun,” has taken the position of subject in this sentence.

Can anyone tell me how “there” can be seen to be either singular or plural?

We can’t say, “There are THE thousand dollars on the table.” We can’t use “an,” but we must have the noun marking article, so it must be '“a.” But this isn’t realy a reliable indicator of number, as we must use it by default because of our messed up syntax.

Dollars are. Thousand is. Both are correct as the sentence is written–which indicates that the sentence isn’t correctly written.

My Taiwanese colleages keep coming up with this kind of question. You people should know better.

The correct answer is:

It DOES NOT MATTER.

Or, more dismissively

WHO CARES?
.

As an experienced editor of American English, I can tell you that this idea of ‘that sounds right’ as being the way to decide correct usage is incredibly flawed. Why guess when you have so many resources available?

From http://www.grammarbook.com/grammar/subjectVerbAgree.asp

[quote]Rule 13

Use a singular verb with sums of money or periods of time.

Examples:
Ten dollars is a high price to pay.
Five years is the maximum sentence for that offense.[/quote]

http://www.sparknotes.com/testprep/books/act/chapter5section2.rhtml

From the main style resource for American English, The Chicago Manual of Style:

[quote]9.21 Words versus monetary symbols and numerals
Isolated references to amounts of money are spelled out for whole numbers of one hundred or less, in accordance with the general principle presented in 9.2. See also 9.3.

seventy-five cents = 75¢
fifteen dollars = $15
seventy-five pounds = £75
Whole amounts expressed numerically should include zeros and a decimal point only when they appear in the same context with fractional amounts (see also 9.19). Note the singular verb in the second example.

Children can ride for seventy-five cents.
The eighty-three dollars was quickly spent.
The instructor charged €125 per lesson.
Prices ranged from $0.95 up to $10.00.
For larger amounts, see 9.25[/quote]

And from the CMoS Web site Q&A:

[quote]Usage

Q. Hello, CMOS Gurus—I cannot seem to locate the rule that proves (or disproves, I guess) the following to be correct: More than 28 million pounds of scrap is reclaimed every year. I thought that units of measurement or money took a singular verb, not plural (such as, three million dollars is a lot, or five miles is a long way). Are there other quantities that this applies to (such as years)? Or am I wrong entirely and should all three of my examples above take a plural verb? —A stumped copyeditor

A. For measures or money or any other quantities, when the items form a whole that isn’t meant to be divided, use a singular verb, as you have. When items are meant to be individual and countable, use a plural verb: Five hundred million Twinkies are produced each year. Since your scrap isn’t being reclaimed one pound at a time, “is” is the right choice.[/quote]

http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/CMS_FAQ/Usage/Usage79.html