Guess which country is #1 for jailing its citizens?

Go USA! We are number One! Hey! Yep, more people in prison than China (with its population of 1.3 billion)… more by not just percent but total! More by percent than Iran or South Africa. And to top that, USA is racist too: while one in 106 adult white men are incarcerated, one in 36 Hispanics and one in 15 African-Americans are behind bars. Truly a disgrace.

[quote]WASHINGTON — Calling the US criminal justice system “a national disgrace,” US
Senators urged for a top-to-bottom review with an eye on reforms aimed at
reducing America’s massive prison population. Democratic Senator Jim Webb,
backed by Republican Senator Arlen Specter, introduced legislation to create a
blue-ribbon panel that would conduct an 18-month assessment and offer concrete
recommendations for reform.

“America’s criminal justice system has deteriorated to the point that it is a
national disgrace,” Webb said, noting that the United States has five percent of
the world’s population but 25 percent of the world’s prisoners.

The Virginia lawmaker noted soaring numbers of drug offenders in prison, and
charged that four times more mentally ill people are incarcerated than housed in
mental health hospitals.

“We are doing something drastically wrong,” said Webb, whose plan also aims to
improve the US response to armed gangs, especially drug-related groups, as it
seeks to bring the prison population down from about 2.4 million people.

The commission would seek to improve US responses to gang violence, overhaul
drug criminalization, improve mental illness treatment, improve prison
administration and establish a system to reintegrate prisoners into society, his
office said.

About five million people are on probation or parole.

“We are not protecting our citizens from the increasing danger of criminals who
perpetrate violence and intimidation as a way of life, and we are locking up too
many people who do not belong in jail,” said Webb.

The 11-member panel would comprise experts drawn from criminal justice, law
enforcement, public health, national security, prison management, social
services, prisoner reentry into society and victims’ rights.

US President Barack Obama would appoint the chairperson, while the top leaders
of both parties in the House and Senate, as well as the Democratic and
Republican governors’ associations, would name the other members.

More than one percent of adults in the United States sit behind bars, with a
startling one in nine young black men incarcerated, according to a February 2008
study by the non-partisan Pew Center on the States.

By comparison, China, with a population of one billion people, was second in
the world with 1.5 million inmates, followed by Russia with 890,000 people in
the slammer, the study said.

America’s incarceration rate exceeds that of nations like South Africa and
Iran.

By comparison, 93 people in Germany are in prison for every 100,000 people,
including minors, the Washington-based independent research group said. The rate
is about eight time higher in the United States: 750 per 100,000.
The statistics are particularly high among minorities.

While one in 106 adult white men are incarcerated, one in 36 Hispanics and one
in 15 African-Americans are behind bars, according to Pew’s examination of
Justice Department data from 2006. Younger black men fare even worse, with one
in nine African-Americans ages 20 to 34 held in cells.

  • Article from Agence France-Presse on March 27, 2009.[/quote]

Doing something about the ridiculous number of people sent to prison for drug possession would be a very good start.

This logic is not sound. The fact that there is racism in the US, and that there is a certain degree of that racism at play in the judicial system, should not come as a shock to anyone. But you can’t use these figures themselves to come to that conclusion. Neither has the article you quoted.

Young black and hispanic males may simply be more likely to commit crimes than young white males due to socioeconomic and environmental factors, although this would probably not be the only explanation for the difference. Racism might manifest itself in harsher judgements meted out to young black and hispanic males than to white males because of the expectation that they are more likely to commit crimes. And I would not be surprised if there were other issues of unfairness in the system. But you can’t blindly chalk the difference up to racism alone. Believe it or not, there has been some progress on that front since 1960.

Fully agreed, but the way Obama laughed off the prospect of marijuana legalization doesn’t make for a great start. :doh: And I’m sure the higher proportion of minorities in the prison population is a combination of racist factors as well as the fact that socioeconomically minorities are more apt to engage in criminal activities.

I haven’t looked for studies that “prove racism”, but come on, 3x the incarceration rate for Latinos, 6x for blacks, it beggars reason to say its just an accident.

And speaking of drug laws, there is plenty of evidence that the US marijuana laws were specifically designed (80 years ago) to put Latinos in jail, and many of the blacks are still in jail because the penalties are higher for freebase cocaine than the powdered base the white boys snort.

Yes, progress has been made, but we need to drill into why these numbers are so disproportionate. Anyway, I’m ready to judge the US on this, and I imagine much of the civilized world is as well.

It doesn’t prove racism exists now. It could be a product of racism in past ages. Crime, especially violent or drug crime, is a product of socioeconomic factors, no education, drop-out, low income, culture of violence in community. Black people might be more prone to go to jail because the rate of single motherhood is higher, well at least one of the reasons. Ask what are all the fathers doing instead of blaming it on ‘strangers’.

There’s no point blaming white folks for all the problems of the world, as anybody who lives in Taiwan knows, white folks in N.America are generally very tolerant of other races, compared to how Arabs treat Indians, Asians treat Asians or even Asians treat Blacks and vice-versa. These statements about ‘racism’ in western countries totally twist the facts!

Obama woudln’t have got elected if racism was so prevalent.

A disproportionate number of people convicted of white collar crime are (you guessed it), white people. This is clearly the result of persecution against white collar whites.

Are they guilty as charged?

Didn’t stop to ask that question, eh Bubba?

No, he thinks there are equal numbers of blacks and whites robbing stores or murdering people, but when the white police witness whites doing it, they just turn their eyes, because they’re white.

Being “tough on crime” sells, politically. Everyone is trying to be tougher on crime than the other guy. It adds up.

The USA should get one of these:

[quote]

i.gizmodo.com/5151377/chinas-dea … -on-the-go

China’s Death Buses Deliver Executions, Organ Harvesting On the Go
If you’re a criminal in China, you’ll want to avoid its new death buses, vehicles that carry out executions while streaming live video of them, then provide some privacy for organ harvesting.

The buses, of which over 40 are currently in use, are replacing firing squads as China’s preferred method of execution. The buses provide a setup for lethal injections, and the acts are carried out on streaming video so local authorities can observe and ensure that everything is done legally.

Critics say that the buses help the government secretly harvest organs to sell to the west, as there’s already a doctor on hand to administer the injection and they never show the bodies between execution and cremation.

[/quote]

It would be helpful if they played Fur Elise for three blocks in advance.

[quote=“TainanCowboy”]Are they guilty as charged?

Didn’t stop to ask that question, eh Bubba?[/quote]

Bring back the death penalty that will bring down those prison populations, I believe that what our competitors in China do.

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

There are higher crime rates in the US among blacks and Hispanics, as compared to whites and Asians.

This is because there is a greater proportion of poverty among blacks and Hispanics, as compared to whites and Asians.

Reduce poverty, and you’ll reduce crime.

[quote=“Bubba 2 Guns”][quote=“TainanCowboy”]Are they guilty as charged?
Didn’t stop to ask that question, eh Bubba?[/quote]
Bring back the death penalty that will bring down those prison populations, I believe that what our competitors in China do.[/quote]
Another factor is the number of illegal aliens occupying US prison spce because their country of origin refuses to accept them back.

Why spend their money on these societal problems when they can get the USA to pay the room & board for these criminals?

Which countries are those?

[quote=“Chris”]There are higher crime rates in the US among blacks and Hispanics, as compared to whites and Asians.

This is because there is a greater proportion of poverty among blacks and Hispanics, as compared to whites and Asians.

Reduce poverty, and you’ll reduce crime.[/quote]

Better yet, blame it on society/poverty and you completely absolve them of any personal responsibility for their actions. Some people arrive in the U.S. poor and choose not to remain so. Within a generation, their kids are doctors. What’s up with that?

[quote=“GuyInTaiwan”][quote=“Chris”]There are higher crime rates in the US among blacks and Hispanics, as compared to whites and Asians.

This is because there is a greater proportion of poverty among blacks and Hispanics, as compared to whites and Asians.

Reduce poverty, and you’ll reduce crime.[/quote]

Better yet, blame it on society/poverty and you completely absolve them of any personal responsibility for their actions. Some people arrive in the U.S. poor and choose not to remain so. Within a generation, their kids are doctors. What’s up with that?[/quote]

…exactly…why can some of them do it and why can’t the others???..it just boils down to your individual choice…do you want to improve your own life or no?? you have a conscience, you can judge what you are doing is right or wrong…

Ah yes, the old “They chose to be poor” argument… :unamused:

Yes the biggest modern lie of them all, if you work hard then you can be rich too. The poor are poor because they haven’t worked hard enough, the rich are rich because they worked hard. Completely politically naive and clueless.