Has America lost its collective marbles? Me-O-Meters?

To anyone still living in America:
Has America, in the 12 years I have been gone, completely fucking lost its collective marbles? Or am I just over reacting to one news item? The Girl Scouts have a Me-O-Meter!?
(see near the end of this article from USA Today) at
usatoday.com/news/opinion/ed … edit_x.htm

It really is strange; on the surface of it, viewed from the other side of the planet (i.e. Taiwan) it often seems to me like America has become this weird mix of proto-Stalinist totalitarianism (e.g. things like the Patriot Act and the Faux War on Terrorism and the utter erosion of civil liberties) and brainless Neo-Hippy giddiness (e.g. the things in the article I cited above).

Is America still normal? I am asking as a semi-serious question.

Your fellow American,
B-1 Bomber Brian
(second generation Orange County Californian)

Although I reject the first camp by as defined by you, I do see your point. There seems to be a separation of who controls the country and its actions within (as a society-camp 2) and outside the borders (as a nation state- camp 1).

It’s interesting how many foreigners in Taiwan feel that adults here are immature for their ages, and yet in America, the within the borders camp seems to feel the need to extend childhood and innocence with these feel good, warm and fuzzy programs…

I have tests to grade now…where’s my blood red pen. :smiling_imp:

BTW, what damage is done to the girl scouts who have no self esteem problems yet are treated as though they do but just don’t know it?

has anyone else ever been not to use a red pen? wanna unsettle some kids in taiwan? when writng names on the board during game time write the first few in blue/black marker. stop and write the next name in red. the way i understood it- in taiwan culture writing somone’s name in red ink is wishing death upon them. ain’t just the wacky yanks on edge about ink color.

america…is fine. it is USA TODAY that is screwed up.

no, i don’t know much about the self-esteem of young girls except that i distinctly remember reading that young girls with low self esteem issues had a much higher promiscuity/pregnancy rates while in their teens. if the girl scouts gotta resort to some “touchy feely” goofiness to get girls out of their teens babyless and healthy…then…you go girls.

The reason I left the US is because of the fact that they have all lost thier freaking minds.

…and so it begins… :unamused:

Well, never having beent here, I don’t know what it’s like in reality, but i’ve never thought of that dichotomy before:

“I left America because it’s been taken over by totalitarians”
“I left America because it’s been taken over by hippies”

Yep, that’s strange.

I hate both those extremes.

Brian

[quote=“Bu Lai En”]Well, never having beent here, I don’t know what it’s like in reality, but I’ve never thought of that dichotomy before:

“I left America because it’s been taken over by totalitarians”
“I left America because it’s been taken over by hippies”

Yep, that’s strange.

I hate both those extremes.

Brian[/quote]

Well, it might better be said that the GOVERNMENT has been taken over by more practical totalitarians :slight_smile:

and that EDUCATION has been taken over by feel good there MUST be a problem hidden in there let’s find it or die trying hippies.

The truth is that most people in America are not working for the Government and most people are not involved in education. They are two high profile segments though, so they get a lot of air time.

Most people are like you and me…fine, content and reasonable…happy despite all the nonesense from both camps.

But most people do vote. And while I don’t believe most people voted for Bush, enough did to say the country is overrun with people who support totalitarianism.

uhm…I do not recall seeing that on the GOP platform.

What I’d like to know is how many eligible people voted for their local PTA.

most people do vote? in america? in non-federal elections? you are joking…right?

uhm, do I hear majority of elligible voters? :slight_smile:

I think we should start a War on Low Self Esteem. That’ll fix it. Like the War on Drugs, and the War on Terrorism.

Easy. Next question?

(Loved the bit about juggling with scarves as tennis balls were too “threatening”. This article is a spoof, right? I mean it’s not real is it?)

My recent (rather long) trip across America, from the Pacific Northwest to the South to the Heartland to the East was underscored by a consistent theme: America is an extremely fragile country. Despite the regular hubris and arrogance shown by its leaders, the country is full of people concerned about their health, security, neighbors, co-workers, mental well-being, etc.

After some weeks on the road, I learned to be careful about what I said to people, since there was no telling what would set them off.

In part, yes, it is a Culture of Fear, but I think there are deeper, more complex matters at work.

Sure, you’ll hear a lot of bravado about the good ole’ US of A, but when it comes to people’s personal lives, I think there are whole reams of issues related to self-image, insecurity, identity, and so on. Imagine a turtle - a soft, weak creature that lives inside a heavily fortified shell.

The American language is full of euphemisms, from the PC dialect to all sorts of new euphemistic adjectives to describe people, created out of fear that the original descriptive might hurt someone’s feelings.

The TV ads and other media also do a great job at making people feel insecure. It might sound crass, but deep down I think that’s all about getting people to buy things.

When the government issues its orange warnings, it’s all about sending people into a fetal-position so they’ll go along with the government’s scheme of the hour.

Then there’s the issue of personal blame. It seems everything is someone else’s fault. Sue that bastard. Blame that country. And so on. What happened to a sense of personal responsibility?

Take all of this and mix in the Gotta Be Me philosophy (which has been around for a long time), and you get bizarre offspring like creative math and Me-o-Meters.

Now that I think of it, it’s little wonder organized religion and conservative ideology have become so popular in recent years. They provide a sound, steady, and stable alternative to the madness of mainstream American culture. Anyone who grew up in America knows how hard it is to navigate the tricky waters of the culture without a solid foundation, family support, financial means, etc.

Yes, people do make it through the muck and come out well adjusted. But I see it as a personal struggle, with one person at a time going through a kind of a weird boot camp.

During my travels, I did meet a number of very solid, outstanding people, all over the place. In fact, the older folks seemed to be the most solid, on average. But I left with some concern about the country’s future and seriously started to wonder if we might be seeing the beginning of the end of the American era. Because a country’s backbone is its people. And when the quality of the people comes into such serious question, you have to wonder about the future.

In the 2004 presidential elections, only 58% voted. The largest eligible group (ages 25-44) had a 52.2% turnout; the 18-24 age group had a turnout of only 41.9%. These two groups combined make up the majority of the voting population in the U.S., and they punched in at below 50%, meaning that a huge portion of eligible voters, in fact, did not vote at all.

The largest individual voting group (ages 45-64) had a turnout of 66.6%, and these voters are the ones who usually stray little from their past voting practises.

Is it any surprise why Bush was elected? The problem is that so many people who bitch about the way things are, and about who’s doing this and that, don’t even turn up at the polls. And we wonder why things are going down the drain?

Jefferson, you rock! Well said.

The results of this policy are now manifesting themselves in the form of certain 20-somethings who have been educated in this way and some of them are posting here on Forumosa. They’re pretty easy to recognize.

American education: where school boards and governments don’t want teachers making kids feel bad, but won’t let them give their students hugs if they need one. Where parents bitch about how teachers aren’t doing their jobs, but give them the onus teaching of moral education in addition to the academic education they are expected to give the children.

Personally, I think people need to let the teachers be, stop pandering to the few whiny kids and making everyone suffer for it, and mind their own damn business.

No more Student of the Month, field days becoming merely “Everyone’s a Winner Even if You Couldn’t Run in a Straight Line Down a Narrow Hallway” Day, and no one ever gets held back because having their inability to read or write advertised by grade retention lowers the needle on their Me-O-Meter. Give me a freaking break.

It’s like people whose parents were strict disciplinarians so they throw out punishments altogether and become permissive “friends” to their kids. The good intentions are there…roads to hell and all.

Lots of people felt excluded or got picked last for teams when they were kids or really sucked at sports, but still turned out to be normal adults, more or less. How does eliminating competition help children become successful, independent people? They are not learning how to cope and rise above failure because they are not getting the chance to. They are not learning to challenge themselves because no matter how shoddy a job they do, they’ll still get the little sticker that everyone else gets. They’re being taught that they’re special…just like everyone else.

Soon they’ll be handicapping anyone who is exceptional, a la Harrison Bergeron.

Welcome to the Monkey House.

Ever seen a film titled “Good and Bad at Games”? :wink:

http://www.channel4.com/film/reviews/film.jsp?id=103906

The results of this policy are now manifesting themselves in the form of certain 20-somethings who have been educated in this way and some of them are posting here on Forumosa. They’re pretty easy to recognize.[/quote]

I am curious of the signs for these “certain 20-somethings”. Are they not as big of jerks to new posters? Do they spend less time in the flame forum and more in having people agree with them? Do they post things that are intelligent and add something to threads rather than insults people or fills space?

Do tell your secrets of detection, sandman. How does one tell these 20-somethings apart from other posters?

I’ll ignore the first part of your post as it seems little more than a thinly veiled personal attack (just how many of my posts are flamed by the way? Not many.) :unamused:

As for the rest, you can easily spot them – they tend to be extremely thin-skinned and to whine, moan and stamp their wittle feet when things don’t go their way.

Also, I’m getting a little fucking pissed off by these references to my ragging on newcomers. Its a load of fucking shite. I’m nice and friendly to newcomers. Its arseholes I cannot stomach.

If you have a problem with me, take it up via PM with Maoman.