Well that’s a sad thing. If kids are cute then thats just the way it is. Anybody who takes those comments outta context needs to see a psychologist.
I’d have to disagree with the sentiment that most teachers in Taiwan are “good folk”. I’d say that,per capita, there are more losers in the overseas ESL industry than most any other. The clergy leaps to mind. Now, I am not saying that this subsection contains an inordinate amount of nonces, just losers. Failures in their home country with no where else to turn. Bitter, drunken old sots with lechery in their hearts. As a parent, I’d be less worried about my teen studying at Hess than I would be about my early 20s child taking lessons at an adult cram school. The number of greasy old men that I’ve met make me almost as sick as the thought of that fuck I mentioned upthread.
A former student of mine just returned from 2 years in Seattle. She informed me that a teacher I had worked with talked her into a webcam session where he, of course, tried to pull his goalie for her. She was pretty shocked. I thought she should inform the school. But of course she won’t. Her “image” of western teachers is now that of a smarmy runty baldy old fuck rubbing one out. Nice.
Hess has the right idea. Tycoon also presented an excellent idea. I too believe CBCs are a good idea. Seperate out some of this deadwood. But I don’t think it’ll come close to stopping the true bane of our image. The Aqualungs with their greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes. I’ve met ex-lawyers and SAS officers that fit this image. What’s gonna stop them other than a Benzoid?
Hmm… we could have Edgar Allen as Crew Chief, MJB as Pilot, Chief Medical Examiner would have to be you HG… then we’d need Dangermouse as the main man to throw them out.
Of course I could come along and make videos to confirm that the punishment was not too cruel or unusual.
1000ft??? Hmmm yes perhaps enough height but perhaps 2000ft just to make sure
Is this still about English teachers or is it about paedophilia? What proportion of teachers teach children? Or kindergarten?
All you do is find a man that actually WANTS to teach kindie, and then lock him up. You’ve got your man.
Ban males from teaching kindie. Why the fuck would any right thinking male actually WANT to teach kindie?
I thought the problem was blokes chatting up the teenagers in the adult classes. Never occurred to me there might be a problem with kiddie fiddling. But there is a huge kiddie fiddling problem here (and elsewhere of course) already. Are furriners really adding to the problem?
A sensible haircut and a shirt and clean slacks would do wonders for the industry. And a well-kept beard or cleanly shaven face.
No. Scrap that. I don’t want to be surrounded by second hand car dealers.
Pay peanuts and you get monkeys. The government should spend a couple of million somethings training local teachers (possible with foreign experts at the beginning), pay the local teachers properly, and then only accept very well qualified foreigners to train the local teachers from time to time. And take bloody English seriously instead of treating it like a joke. Leadership. Government policy. Then Taiwan would attract academics and teacher trainers. Ooh. They might be peds too.
Dammit. Let me have a beer and get back to you on this one.
[quote=“bismarck”][quote=“Serial Killer On Parole”]Question? Is being a Ped a mental illness or is it a natural state? Let’s say we accept gays now as being naturally that way. How do we know Peds also aren’t just that way? Each to their own fetish?
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As a teenager I found it disturbing reading pre-Victorian and Victorian literature (including Jane Austen) where 14, 15 or 16 year olds were led down the altar…[/quote]
Whether pedophiles are “just that way” or however young girls were when they got married in Victorian times, these days most societies draw a clear line between the child and the adult – which has nothing to do with being gay or straight.
We’ve all seen the over-weight and over-40 white guys who sweat profusely while teaching “cute” Asian kids, be it Taiwan, Thailand or Korea. Some of the vile creatures I have met in Taiwan while writing and promoting teaching materials here have turned my stomach – there is just something wrong with these men; they could be pedophiles, they could be retarded, they could be genuinely interested in education. The problem is that for most Asians, the alarm bells do not go off and hence these freaks get jobs. My rule to improve the image of English teachers in Asia would be that anyone male and white who constantly looks like they’ve just got out of a very hot bath should not be allowed near children. Should there be a witchhunt? I’m not a teacher. Regulate yourselves if you think you have an image problem.
[quote=“magnolia”][quote=“bismarck”][quote=“Serial Killer On Parole”]Question? Is being a Ped a mental illness or is it a natural state? Let’s say we accept gays now as being naturally that way. How do we know Peds also aren’t just that way? Each to their own fetish?
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As a teenager I found it disturbing reading pre-Victorian and Victorian literature (including Jane Austen) where 14, 15 or 16 year olds were led down the altar…[/quote]
Whether pedophiles are “just that way” or however young girls were when they got married in Victorian times, these days most societies draw a clear line between the child and the adult – which has nothing to do with being gay or straight.
We’ve all seen the over-weight and over-40 white guys who sweat profusely while teaching “cute” Asian kids, be it Taiwan, Thailand or Korea. Some of the vile creatures I have met in Taiwan while writing and promoting teaching materials here have turned my stomach – there is just something wrong with these men; they could be pedophiles, they could be retarded, they could be genuinely interested in education. The problem is that for most Asians, the alarm bells do not go off and hence these freaks get jobs. My rule to improve the image of English teachers in Asia would be that anyone male and white who constantly looks like they’ve just got out of a very hot bath should not be allowed near children. Should there be a witchhunt? I’m not a teacher. Regulate yourselves if you think you have an image problem.[/quote]
Back home when we were in school, be that elementary, junior high or senior high, we all had male teachers. The only time in my life I can’t recall having male teachers was in kindergarten (pre-school). So are the [quote]over-weight and over-40 white guys[/quote] teaching kids the problem? Is the problem only because some of them sweat profusely? Get real. You’re falling over yourself as far as racist, ageist and sexist comments go.
John Mark Karr, who was recently arrested in Thailand (news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5284702.stm) may be many things, but he certainly doesn’t look over weight or sweaty.
Some of the best teachers I ever had were male teachers. In fact, MOST of the really great ones were male teachers.
Lord Lucan wrote [quote]All you do is find a man that actually WANTS to teach kindie, and then lock him up. You’ve got your man.
Ban males from teaching kindie. Why the fuck would any right thinking male actually WANT to teach kindie? [/quote]
Well, kindie teaching pays well, and those with minimal English ability can get by; in other words, a lot of Canadians, both men and women, teach in kindergartens.
It’s illegal for waiguoren to teach in kindies and I think this is a good regulation. There are many very capable Taiwanese English teachers who could do a better job.
[quote=“almas john”]Lord Lucan wrote [quote]All you do is find a man that actually WANTS to teach kindie, and then lock him up. You’ve got your man.
Ban males from teaching kindie. Why the fuck would any right thinking male actually WANT to teach kindie? [/quote]
Well, kindie teaching pays well, and those with minimal English ability can get by; in other words, a lot of Canadians, both men and women, teach in kindergartens.
It’s illegal for waiguoren to teach in kindies and I think this is a good regulation. There are many very capable Taiwanese English teachers who could do a better job.[/quote]
Yep, especially since so many of the kids are so young they can hardly even speak Chinese properly. Not enough faith is placed in Taiwanese English teachers. I’ve worked with some awesome ones over the last few years.
Bismarck wrote [quote]Not enough faith is placed in Taiwanese English teachers. I’ve worked with some awesome ones over the last few years.[/quote]
Absolutely, there has been a very encouraging improvement in the quality of Taiwanese English teachers. I have a class teaching junior high school English teachers in Chiayi and I am really impressed with their level of English. There was a time when you met local English teachers with whom you could not communicate.
After reading The Tipping Point, I would love to see a social epidemic happen here in the English industry. If we can get the right kind of people involved, I think this certification program could work.
Call it the SafeTeach Certificate. It would entail a criminal background check and a degree verification at the minimum and an upgraded version that would also involve contacting former employers and other things like first aid training (especially training in CPR for young children)… an Extra SafeTeach certificate option? Workshops can even be run in positive classroom management and discipline, child development, TESOL theories and practice, teaching ideas, etc. in order to maintain an enhanced SafeTeach certificate.
It can be run privately, as long as we can get the right kind of people involved to help get the word out. Get this sponsored by the MOE or some other major education organization - the ETA-ROC?, but not necessarily involve them. Foreign buxiban owners, you guys are the perfect people for making this sticky. If you get your teachers to sign themselves up for this, you not only can promote them to our clients confidentally, but you can even add a special label that your school is a SafeTeach school. And teachers who wish to be thought of as professionals, you can also help get this spread. Maybe it can be added to the myu.com.tw as an added bonus for teachers who post their profiles.
Teachers can add their SafeTeach Certificate to their resumes and/or have their SafeTeach Certificate in hand for interviews and demos. Schools can advertise that they hire only teachers which have SafeTeach certificates because they “care about your child’s safe-T” or want “Safe-T First!”. Schools which hire only SafeTeach-certified teachers could quickly become able to draw in parents quickly. At first teachers can volunteer for the certificate, but ideally, schools would take on the onus of getting their teachers SafeTeach certified so they can make more money.
Maybe even down the line, we can get SafeTeach certification for schools which seek safety in their schools by having things like routine fire and earthquake drills, evacuation equipment in every classroom, first aid kits in every classroom, safe buses (no more kids dying of overheating after being forgotten on buses), corner covers for furniture, outlet covers, and door locks on chemicals…a particular pet peeve of mine considering the lack of even standard safety procedures at my former school where the teachers left the safety lock under the sink where sharp knives and cleaning chemicals were stored unlocked and the hundred or so outlet covers that I bought out of my own pocket for the school were just left off and never replaced when they plugged and unplugged things…oops, where was I? Oh yeah, schools that have these things, SafeTeach certified-employees (foreign and local teachers and any staff member who comes into contact with the children) and regular Safe-T inspections to ensure they are sticking to their requirements.
If it’s going to happen, though, now is the time with the John Carr case still being fresh in the local community’s minds.
What say you all?
I say it’s a good idea. I like it.
I’m talking about people I’ve met. If I’d met any young, black women who didn’t sweat all over the children that I thought were perverts, I would have mentioned them, too. But strangely, I haven’t. Why is that, I wonder? Kiddie-fiddling in Asia is predominantly a white male thing. I can’t believe anyone would want to pretend otherwise. And so what if all YOUR teachers were men? Were you taught in a haphazardly regulated system that is known to be a haven for perverts on the run? Transient grown men who teach kindergarten in Asia have to be first on anyone’s list of possible pedophiles, however many genuinely (or purely financially) motivated ones there are. And that’s just tough shit for the nice guys.
ImaniOU’s SafeTeach cert is a great idea. You have to get a crimimal background check if you want to get an APRC, so I don’t think it would be too much of added burden to expect people genuinely interested in education to have to get one, too.
You guys need to go back to the beginning. The second post in this thread said exactly the same thing.
Isn’t this basically the same idea?
[quote=“Tyc00n”]Sure. When if you have a situation where its difficult to know where people come from or their background you develop a branded certifying company.
A good example of such a company is the “heart foundation tick of approval” for certain foods. If people see it, they recognize it and they know it passes certain criteria healthwise.
What you need to do is develop a relationship with all of the schools and then provide a “tick of approval” where you certify teachers. The schools would pay a small fee in order for you to “certify” them.
If you become big enough, teachers that become certified could be paid more and hence the motivation for teachers to in fact certify themselves through you. If you are lucky and become big enough, you could push legislation for it to become a requirement and then you have a most beautiful kind of business… a monopoly.
Certification would include: background police check, documentation check, university / qualification check and previous employer recommendations…
How would I start out? I’d start by offering to schools lists of people that you’ve already certified.[/quote]
[quote=“Dogfaces”]You guys need to go back to the beginning. The second post in this thread said exactly the same thing.
[quote=“Tyc00n”]Sure. When if you have a situation where its difficult to know where people come from or their background you develop a branded certifying company. …
A good example of such a company is the “heart foundation tick of approval” for certain foods. If people see it, they recognize it and they know it passes certain criteria healthwise.
What you need to do is develop a relationship with all of the schools and then provide a “tick of approval” where you certify teachers. The schools would pay a small fee in order for you to “certify” them.
If you become big enough, teachers that become certified could be paid more and hence the motivation for teachers to in fact certify themselves through you. If you are lucky and become big enough, you could push legislation for it to become a requirement and then you have a most beautiful kind of business… a monopoly.
Certification would include: background police check, documentation check, university / qualification check and previous employer recommendations…
How would I start out? I’d start by offering to schools lists of people that you’ve already certified.[/quote][/quote]
Yes, you’re right, it’s the same thing. Apologies to Tyc00n, but ImaniOU did give it a cute name! 
A cute name? Well, that’s everything when branding. Maybe we can have a logo designed and then force incoming teachers to have it tattooed on their ass. May as well, as we are all (as is being suggested) being forced to bend over and take it. Does anyone remember pink triangles?
I wonder if, under this new regime, these “training sessions” would be mandatory as well?
[quote=“Dogfaces”]A cute name? Well, that’s everything when branding. Maybe we can have a logo designed and then force incoming teachers to have it tattooed on their ass. May as well, as we are all (as is being suggested) being forced to bend over and take it. Does anyone remember pink triangles?
I wonder if, under this new regime, these “training sessions” would be mandatory as well?
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Yes, I’m sure the “Great Persecution” of English teachers in Taiwan will be looked back on with as much horror as the Nazi deathcamps by our descendents. Hopefully, in the enlightened future, such human rights violations as having to not be a convicted pedophile in your own country in order to teach children in Asia will be seen as barbaric. 
Are you KIDDING? Child sex is a thriving business – for Asian men, almost exclusively.
But it does strike me as strange that they’d require a criminal background check before you can marry their women, but you’re perfectly free to shut yourself in a room with their preteen kids.
Are you KIDDING? Child sex is a thriving business – for Asian men, almost exclusively.
But it does strike me as strange that they’d require a criminal background check before you can marry their women, but you’re perfectly free to shut yourself in a room with their preteen kids.[/quote]
You are correct, of course. I was thinking about it in relation to the English teaching industry in Asia, not sex tourism in general. I should’ve been more specific.
It’s also strange that men want to be shut in rooms with preteen kids.
[quote=“Dogfaces”]You guys need to go back to the beginning. The second post in this thread said exactly the same thing.
Isn’t this basically the same idea?
[quote=“Tyc00n”]Sure. When if you have a situation where its difficult to know where people come from or their background you develop a branded certifying company.
A good example of such a company is the “heart foundation tick of approval” for certain foods. If people see it, they recognize it and they know it passes certain criteria healthwise.
What you need to do is develop a relationship with all of the schools and then provide a “tick of approval” where you certify teachers. The schools would pay a small fee in order for you to “certify” them.
If you become big enough, teachers that become certified could be paid more and hence the motivation for teachers to in fact certify themselves through you. If you are lucky and become big enough, you could push legislation for it to become a requirement and then you have a most beautiful kind of business… a monopoly.
Certification would include: background police check, documentation check, university / qualification check and previous employer recommendations…
How would I start out? I’d start by offering to schools lists of people that you’ve already certified.[/quote][/quote]
Yes, that’s where I got the idea, but I expanded on it as a voluntary thing which only receives endorsement from an educational organization and how it can be used to certify schools as well. As well as making it a bit more visible than a “tick”
Certification is a great idea, but doesn’t amount to a hill of beans so long as parents only look for the young white face.
Here’s a sure-fire way to improve the image of English teachers in Taiwan:
Start a thread entitled Tips for the drunkard teacher.