How do we clean up the American health care mess?

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Not sure if this fits but I can tell you if you ha e good insurance and can afford 2000 to 7000 us dollars a year co pay then the american health care is awsome. Btw good health care insurance is 1000 to 1500 us dollars a month.so on the low end 14000 to 22000 us dollars a year. That’s for a family.
If you are dirt poor and have kids you can get excellent health care for free. Well not for free. I have to pay 180 us dollars per visit basically for parking in a hospital parking lot to pay another charge to see a doctor because that dr shares a parking lot with the hospital.

That doesnt cover dental

You can’t solve a problem with the same lies that created the problem:

Big government, big business, whatevs…

So, this leaves… what, exactly?

Probably a mess that Congress should try and deal with instead of Russia! Impeachment! Russia! Russia! Impeachment!

It goes back to the same judge that tossed it out so I doubt that he will rule in any other manner. The financial penalty of the individual mandate was a terrible idea and, really, lazy policy making. I suppose they could keep it as a costly federal program that is just an option for people to buy into - tossing people from it who are satisfied won’t happen in an election year.

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Thinking this through a bit, that decision could be really bad for Republicans.

Though people like to discuss identify politics, elections generally come down to the economy. In the last election, health care, according to polls, was a huge issue for voters and it’s probably part of the reason democrats picked up so many seats. Regardless, it is an issue they could really campaign on - who cares about China and the budget and the environment - republicans would take away your health care.

Of course, a system that removes the mandate will lose health, young, able-bodied people and eventually simply fall apart.

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It never really held together in the first place. This is just bursting a bubble.

Or lancing a boil, if you prefer.

It’s not an issue republicans should bring up in an election year unless they have an actual plan.

Whatever happened to Trump’s idea of simply permitting purchasing plans across state lines? I thought that was a reasonable step in a direction of improving it.

There’s no quick fix. It’s a race against the unraveling process.

And Congress has no incentive to help. So it’s down to the pen and the phone.

A rare case where we’re in a position to fact check:

Jesssh. I couldn’t even finish it after reading this.

Yet one of the big themes of Scott’s piece is that Taiwan’s health care providers believe their system is too generous to patients. Even with copayments and premiums in place, Taiwan’s patients heavily utilize the system. This, Scott writes, has “predictable downsides: Hospitals get crowded in Taiwan. The capacity of health care providers to attend to everyone in need can be stretched pretty thin.” As a result, some patients face long lines, and limited access to expensive treatments.

Long lines arent the issue. As if the current state of insurance/health care is better. I’ve waited in US ER for up to 5 hours. Longest I ever waited in Taiwan was at the very least an hour because I was dealing with a panic attack. Even then it really was about making sure I was connected to the right doctor. In the US after the 5 hour wait, I had only been attended to by a nurse and the intern.

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And Taiwanese hospitals have an app so you can register and see what number you are and when it’s coming up so you don’t need to sit in a doctor’s office all day waiting your turn.

Also better than the crappy Canadian system of needing a referral to see a specialist and then that referral takes over a year in some cases while you suffer.

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I think the doctors are overworked here. They see so many patients like an assembly line that it’s frightening if you have a serious medical concern. I don’t think the hospitals here are very clean either. It would be difficult for the average American to change to socialized medicine.
Don’t get me wrong. I like the medical system here but it isn’t perfect. Taking care of 330 million Americans with different cultural backgrounds is different from giving care to 23 million people with a more homogeneous population.

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What do the cultural backgrounds have to do with ability to give care? That is not the reason the US health care system has issues.

There are no shortage of doctors in the US. Obviously the number of doctors is commensurate with the population.

I gather there are fewer doctors than before Odammitcare.

Under single payer, there may be fewer still.

And I think that POV is why socialized health care in the US has failed to catch on. To some extent, I think as it’s being adjusted to if rolled out then yes but my needs as an AA woman are no different than any other woman. My organs and their functions operate the same as any other human.

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