Explain to me how you are going to stop for a pedestrian you can’t see?
Fixed it again:
“Explain to me how you are going to stop for a truck you can’t see?”
The driver should have slowed down when approaching a crosswalk (as required by law), and also should have stopped when he noticed that his view of the crosswalk was partially blocked by the minibus, and then inch forward slowly until the full crosswalk is in full view.
You should only proceed when you are 100% sure that nobody is about to walk in front of you.
As someone who has regularly been dodging pedestrians who shouldn’t be in the road at all, let alone running into traffic without lookikg first, and this since before the recent media attention, I’m still of the opinion that the pedestrian behavior and the driving behavior are part and parcel of the same cultural factors
If it is a busy crosswalk near a school, this should be done. Another example of how the infrastructure fails, along with everything and everyone else
That’s true, but drivers here aren’t even stopping for pedestrians who are actually crossing legally, which is the focus of this thread.
Perhaps we should start another thread titled “How do we keep pedestrians from jaywalking”.
If the excuse for her running into traffic is media commenting on bad pedestrians, the fact of bad pedestrians is relevant.
Yeah she shouldn’t have been running either. Who knows whether she did it because of the constant media attention on “bad pedestrians” who “take too long to cross the street”.
One thing is certain: The media narrative isn’t helping. If anything, they should be focusing on bad pedestrians who run and jaywalk.
I do agree there are a lot of bad pedestrians. They even get in trouble and create problems with me…as a pedestrian as well.
Running across the street isn’t the solution that a lot of people here (Taiwan) think it is. Crossing at a regular pace that allows you to safely observe your environment is best, especially when vision is obscured. If you’re in the middle of nowhere then have at it, but in a dense urban environment, especially with how poor visibility is in many Taiwanese cities, you have to be extra careful.
As a whole the urban design here creates bad drivers and bad pedestrians and enforces bad habits. Then again how can you expect there be any good habits for pedestrians when even the bare minimum, a sidewalk, is absent in the majority of places in the major cities. Often people complain about not having enough space and what not, but even in some of these country areas with little traffic they have wide roads and still no sidewalks. In some of these communities they’ll have sidewalks but they just park on them and block them and you know there will never be any enforcement regarding that in such a place.
As for the video the biggest blame would probably be on the yellow van that didn’t yield first and seemingly entered the intersection without being able to fully cross, thus creating a limited visibility environment for both the pedestrian and the delivery truck driver as the van was in the middle of the intersection.
It’s unfortunate the van wasn’t even at the scene when police arrived.
Yes this is what I am trying to say but certain folks here seem to think that only drivers are to blame. This is a bad place to be a driver and pedestrian.
It’s a people problem. I have to admit to having picked up bad habits from being immersed in this environment…
TT was expressing frustration, as an aside, at pedestrians who jaywalk; which wasn’t the case in the video, and also wasn’t the topic of our back-and-forth earlier.
The girl in the video was crossing legally (her only fault being that she was running, which I already said she shouldn’t have done).
When a pedestrian and a vehicle collide, the pedestrian is the one who dies, not the driver. This is why the law puts sole responsibility on the driver to ensure they do not hit pedestrians who are legally crossing.
Sorry, no. Bad pedestrians, e.g. those who run into moving traffic, as this girl did
Nobody is disagreeing with you here
Absolutely, drivers need to be held accountable, punishments should be stricter, law enforcement, education, infrastructure, etc. I’m not saying otherwise
Pedestrians need to be reminded, sadly, that running into moving traffic is dangerous, that is all.
Yes, she shouldn’t have been running.
But my point was that the bigger mistake was made by the truck driver who shouldn’t have even driven through the crosswalk without first stopping to ensure that nobody was around. This wasn’t even mentioned by the news reporter for some reason, which was what prompted my initial comment.
I agree. And drivers should also be reminded that they shouldn’t expect pedestrians to run across the crosswalk to save them a few seconds.
They run because nobody stop, is obvious
It’s actually very easy, millions of drivers in advanced countries do it daily:
- A vehicle is already stopped at the zebra crossing, which means that there must be a pedestrian crossing or wanting to cross the street. So, either stop or reduce the speed so you can immediately and safely stop as soon as you see the pedestrian. In case of doubt, just fucking stop until you’re sure there’s no danger to others.
Drivers fault. She’s a kid.
In Zhongli a lady with a child was assaulted by a driver. The driver failed to yield to the pedestrian, stopping just before hitting them on the crosswalk. The lady took a picture of the license plate and the driver immediately gets out and pushes the lady. Happened a week ago but I didn’t see anything about it until I saw a post from a few days ago on a Facebook page that mentioned this news.
Weak fines, only 10k, after dangerous driving. Still more fines to come though.
Tsao and Huang were not wearing helmets, and Tsao did not use turn signals or turn on the bike’s headlight, police alleged.
Police said that Tsao led them on a chase through seven districts, often riding on the wrong side of the road and running red lights. Police said they have issued the minimum fines for each of the violations, but Tsao may face more fines after the case is handled by the Taichung District Prosecutors’ Office.
Driver runs a red light at a good speed, fails to yield to pedestrians. Fine was not issued.
Sometimes, maybe. I stop, and I am somebody.
Sometimes, they run when vehicles are not supposed to stop, the jaywalking mentioned before
And sometimes, when I want to cross the street as a pedestrian, I have to do so very carefully and making sure that vehicles know I want to cross (not just standing there), and that they see me. Being slow, deliberate, and noticeable takes some thought, time and effort. It would be great if it wasn’t necessary. You can google “ought vs is”
Again, I’m not saying that the fault here is all or even mostly with the pedestrian. My overarching point is the average person needs to pay more attention, I emphasized that in the other traffic thread because soneone complained here isn’t the place.
Pedestrians shouldn’t run into moving traffic, should be obvious
Everyone should be more careful and considerate, should be obvious
Ought vs is
This is so unacceptable, and I guess nothing will happen which to me is even worse