How the imams terrorized an airliner: The Joke's on US!

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So, the Imams, who were quietly praying…well, weren’t. They were “playing terrorist” to observe the racist and Islamophobic reactions of the people in the airport and on the plane.

Is this a new low? People who are already being stereotyped, purposefully behaving in a manner that correlates to the stereotype they have had placed on them? Or is it a well performed practical joke?

"If they think I’m a terrorist, then by God, I’ll GIVE them a terrorist!
Just playin
'.

wtf?

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Muslim religious leaders removed from a Minneapolis flight last week exhibited behavior associated with a security probe by terrorists and were not merely engaged in prayers, according to witnesses, police reports and aviation security officials. [/quote]
Ok this much we know. What’s snew?

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Witnesses said three of the imams were praying loudly in the concourse and repeatedly shouted “Allah” when passengers were called for boarding [/quote]
Now that’s pretty funny.

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the imams switched from their assigned seats to a pattern associated with the September 11 terrorist attacks and also found in probes of U.S. security since the attacks – two in the front row first-class, two in the middle of the plane on the exit aisle and two in the rear of the cabin. [/quote]
Does this mean that someone actually read the 911 report??

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Three of the men asked for seat-belt extenders, although two flight attendants told police the men were not oversized. One flight attendant told police she “found this unsettling, as crew knew about the six [passengers] on board and where they were sitting.” Rather than attach the extensions, the men placed the straps and buckles on the cabin floor,[/quote]
THAT’S really funny, especially if you know the other passengers are watching. :astonished: And I didn’t even KNOW that there are seatbelt extenders for bulkier folk.

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The imams who claimed two first-class seats said their tickets were upgraded. The gate agent told police that when the imams asked to be upgraded, they were told no such seats were available. Nevertheless, the two men were seated in first class when removed. [/quote]
Not funny, but ballsy. It’s not a movie theatre. It’s an AIRPLANE!

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A flight attendant said one of the men made two trips to the rear of the plane to talk to the imam during boarding, and again when the flight was delayed because of their behavior. Aviation officials, including air marshals and pilots, said these actions alone would not warrant a second look, but the combination is suspicious. [/quote]
All I can think about are the other passengers, watching this show. :astonished: :astonished: :astonished:

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One of the passengers, Omar Shahin, told Newsweek the group did everything it could to avoid suspicion by wearing Western clothes, speaking English and booking seats so they were not together. He said they conducted prayers quietly and separately to avoid attention. [/quote]
And see how the joke on us continues as he blatantly lies?! bwahahahaha

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Aviation security officials said thousands of Muslims fly every day and conduct prayers in airports in a quiet and private manner without creating incidents. [/quote]
I think they should ALL go on the planes, and buses and trains, screaming “ALLAH!” just so we know where they at.

All in all, I give it a 6 out of 10. No bomb threat; no snake jokes; none of them pretended to be blind…

Not a bad show. :bravo:
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One can also conjure that this was a ‘dry-run.’
A testing of response times and actions taken.
Of course it could also have been a test of media reaction, and reporting(support), of the poor discriminated against moslem “scholars” by the airlines and ‘profiling’ public.

These could also be interpretations of this …yeah…could be.

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Silly buggers.

Does this mean you didn’t read the 911 Report? After they went through all that effort to make it reader friendly? Here’s the pdf link you lazy sod. :wink:

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Or it could be that they weren’t testing anything or anyone or playing any joke, weren’t doing anything sinister, and had no motives besides getting on the plane and flying home, but were simply the victims of fear, hysteria and profiling. An investigation is pending.

Certainly people have been barred from flights for absurd reasons before, such as the guy who was forbidden to fly because he was wearing a small pin reading “suspected terrorist”
freetotravel.org/terrorist.html

or the guy whose t-shirt read in English and Arabic “We will not be silent”
msnbc.msn.com/id/14591252/

or the woman kicked off a flight for breastfeeding her baby
bloggingbaby.com/2006/11/15/ … -airline/2

or the numerous babies, congresspersons and other innocents who are on the government’s official list of terrorists who are forbidden to fly
nzherald.co.nz/section/story … D=10360258

:loco:

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[quote=“Jaboney”]Silly buggers.

Does this mean you didn’t read the 911 Report? After they went through all that effort to make it reader friendly? Here’s the pdf link you lazy sod. :wink:[/quote]

I have my own copy. :raspberry:

I should have said, "someone else.’

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Muslims sitting together in large group= suspicious behaviour
Muslims sitting apart= suspicious behaviour

Muslims conspiring to bring lawsuit, or airlines conspiring to avoid lawsuit?

Lot of anonymous soures there.

Face it, it’s another case of FWB

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[quote=“Mother Theresa”]Or it could be that they weren’t testing anything or anyone or playing any joke, weren’t doing anything sinister, and had no motives besides getting on the plane and flying home, but were simply the victims of fear, hysteria and profiling. An investigation is pending.
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I don’t see what fear, hysteria or profiling had anything to do with placing extra seat belts that they didn’t rate (not fat enough) under their seats? Suspicious? maybe. Bizarre and worth a second look? Yup.

Please investigate more, because what one of the imams is writing on his website and what more and more witnesses are saying happened do NOT mesh.

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Can I be a victim too? Please!

What is it with these people? Why can’t they just get on the plane sit down and mind their own business?

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I don’t agree with your argument. These imams did not sit in the right way, so they were taken off the flight. Rosa Parks sat in the wrong place in a bus in Montgomery, Alabama, and became an icon in the struggle for equal rights. It’s obvious that the Imams acted not to observe but had ulterior motives, to publicize a method by which peaceful struggle can be efforted against an authoritarian security apparatus. They even made the front page!

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How to identify likely terrorists on a plane:

Look for the ones wearing turbans and shouting “Allah, Allah!” They do all that to distract suspicion from themselves, you see. It’s reverse psychology.

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I don’t agree with your argument. These imams did not sit in the right way, so they were taken off the flight. Rosa Parks sat in the wrong place in a bus in Montgomery, Alabama, and became an icon in the struggle for equal rights. It’s obvious that the Imams acted not to observe but had ulterior motives, to publicize a method by which peaceful struggle can be efforted against an authoritarian security apparatus. They even made the front page![/quote]

Rosa Parks didn’t get on the bus singing Little Black Sambo either. :unamused:

So, “praying” loudly and badmouthing GWBush in the terminal is a Rosa Parksian protest? And jumping up into first class seats is a protest? And putting extra seat belts under their seats?

Gosh, I don’t know why they made such a FUSS! I mean honestly, they were wearing western style SUITS! :laughing:

An airport and airplanes are now OFF LIMITS for political protests. That should be clear to everyone with half a brain.

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ImaniOU terrorizing an airliner?
I find that terribly difficult to believe, I’ve always found her to be a perfectly agreeable young lady.
Unless this was some of that Sexual Terrorism I’ve been reading about…
I didn’t even know she’d left the country??

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[quote=“Screaming Jesus”]How to identify likely terrorists on a plane:

Look for the ones wearing turbans and shouting “Allah, Allah!” They do all that to distract suspicion from themselves, you see. It’s reverse psychology.[/quote]

On the other hand, if you were a crazy muslim terrorist (is there any other kind? :wink: ) would you wear a turban and shout “Allah, Allah.” Not me. I’d disguise myself as a quiet, little old Christian spinster. That’s who the authorities should be going after.

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maybe they just kicked them off because they were acting like a bunch of wingnuts. that’s usually enough and it should be. you don’t have to be a terrorist with a bomb to be kicked off a plane. just because your an imam, who cares?

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[quote=“Mother Theresa”][quote=“Screaming Jesus”]How to identify likely terrorists on a plane:

Look for the ones wearing turbans and shouting “Allah, Allah!” They do all that to distract suspicion from themselves, you see. It’s reverse psychology.[/quote]

On the other hand, if you were a crazy muslim terrorist (is there any other kind? :wink: ) would you wear a turban and shout “Allah, Allah.” Not me. I’d disguise myself as a quiet, little old Christian spinster. That’s who the authorities should be going after.[/quote]
Unfortunately, it is who the authorities are going after. My mom, a little old lady in a wheelchair, on her last trip, was pulled out of the airport securtiy line-up and searched every single time. Usually, no one else was. I think it’s an example of how when you work somewhere potentially dangerous, you eventually become blase about the dangers and just start going through the motions. They have to search a certain number of people, and little old ladies are easy - they’re not going to complain, they’re not going to actually be dangerous - and the guards have their quota early and can just relax.

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Fortunately they are randomly taking people from all various age and ethnic groups like they are supposed to, as well as taking people that look “suspicious” for additional screening.
I have been pulled aside 7 or 8 times in the last few years for additional screening.

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[quote=“JMcNeill”]Fortunately they are randomly taking people from all various age and ethnic groups like they are supposed to, as well as taking people that look “suspicious” for additional screening.
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When my mom travels, it isn’t random - it’s just her, the oldest, weakest and least threatening passenger. She is almost always searched, and most of the time she is the only one searched. They’re not doing their jobs.

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One of the main reasons that they search people in wheelchairs is because they don’t go through the metal detector. You will notice that most, if not all, people in wheelchairs get additional screening at the airport. This is not a question of laziness.

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Au contraire. They ARE doing their jobs and investigating your mom is one way to balance out the screenings so that Muslim males aged 25 to 40 do not make up an unnaturally high part of the mix. THAT is why I get checked every time I go back. Lots of Middle Eastern stamps and I am not Arab or Muslim. Great way to prove even-handedness so delicate souls like some on this forum are not offended by gross abuses of “rights.”

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And goodness me… It really is about racism and intolerance and certainly there are no facts to support any extra scrutiny of Muslim males right? right? RIGHT?

[quote]Islam and violence
TODAY’S COLUMNIST
By Daniel Allott
December 4, 2006

Following Pope Benedict’sremarks on the relationship between faith and violence, a quiet conversation emerged. It highlighted a central question as the West increasingly attempts to engage the Muslim world: Is Islam especially prone to violence? So far, much of the conversation has focused on the violent reactions of some Muslims to the pope’s previous comments. But, there’s disturbing proof that a far deeper culture of violence pervades much of the Islamic world.
In a recent survey on global conflict, Monty Marshall and Ted Burr of the Center for International Development and Conflict Management found that of the 24 major armed conflicts taking place worldwide in 2005, more than half (13) involved Muslim governments or paramilitary groups on one or both sides of the fighting. What’s more, among six countries with “emerging armed conflicts,” four are predominantly Muslim and another, Thailand, involves a Muslim separatist movement.
Messrs. Marshall and Burr also rated 161 countries according to their capacity to avoid outbreaks of armed conflicts. Whereas 63 percent of non-Muslim countries were categorized as “enjoy[ing] the strongest prospects for successful management of new challenges,” just 18 percent of the 50 Muslim nations included were similarly designated. In addition, Muslim nations (those with at least 40 percent Muslim population) were two-and-a-half times more likely than non-Muslim nations to be considered "at the greatest risk of neglecting or mismanaging emerging societal crises such that these conflicts escalate to serious violence and/or government instability."
This evaluation reveals the glaring reality that violence is a fact of life in many Muslim nations. But is Islam itself the impetus? Consider that a recent Pentagon intelligence analysis found that most Muslim terrorists say they are motivated by the Koran’s violent commands. The September 11 hijackers and London transit bombers made martyrdom videos in which they recited the Koran while talking of “sacrificing life for Allah.” British authorities also recovered martyrdom videotapes in the foiled transatlantic sky terror plot. Shamil Basayev, architect of the 2004 Beslan school massacre in Chechnya, referred to himself as “Allah’s slave.” Meanwhile, Genocidal Sudanese dictator Gen. Omar Bashir recently swore “three times in the name of Allah” that he would never allow international troops to enter Darfur. And the list goes on.
While Western liberals often insist that foreign occupation is at the root of Islamic violence, they conveniently ignore the fact that when the U.S.S. Cole was attacked, and the World Trade Center was on two separate bloody occasions, no such occupation was taking place.
We simply cannot overlook extremist interpretations of religion as a significant part of the problem when terrorists yell, “God is great!” as they decapitate their victims or blow themselves up in a crowded market.
But the Muslim world’s support of faith-based violence is not limited to governments and their non-state proxies. Consider a June Pew Global Attitudes poll that showed a majority of Muslims in Jordan, Egypt and Nigeria, as well as roughly a third in France, Spain and Great Britain, felt violence against civilians can be justified in order to defend Islam. Worse, a July 2005 poll found 22 percent of British Muslims said last summer’s rush-hour bombings of London’s metro system, which killed 52 people, were justified because of Britain’s support for the war on terror. This included 31 percent of young British Muslims.
Some Muslims’ appetite for destruction is not surprising given the ability of prominent Muslim leaders to foment hatred of the West. Following Pope Benedict’s September comments, Imams across the Middle East and North Africa issued fatwas for his death. Similar threats were made in advance of the pope’s visit to Turkey. Meanwhile in France, the Interior Ministry has announced that Muslims are waging an undeclared “intifada” against police, with attacks injuring an average of 14 officers a day. There are bright spots, of course. Several thousand Muslims in Kismayo, Somalia recently publicly protested the arrival of an al Qaeda-backed Islamic militia. But while experts assure us only a small percentage (perhaps 10 percent) of Muslims are willing to participate in terror, with 1.2 billion Muslims globally, that’s more than 100 million jihadists. The most revealing aspect of the Islamic world’s reaction to Pope Benedict’s September remarks was that what enraged many of those who reacted violently was not the suggestion that Islam is violent, but rather the implied criticism of that violence. The West must recognize these violent outbursts for what they are: calculated acts of outrage meant not to refute but to intimidate non-Muslims into not speaking up at all. Last month, when a priest from the Syriac Orthodox Church in Mosul, Iraq was captured, his church complied with kidnappers’ demands to post signs denouncing the pope’s comments on Islam. The police found the priest’s decapitated body days later.
On the initial day of his highly anticipated visit to Turkey, Pope Benedict urged religious leaders to “utterly refuse to sanction” any form of violence in the name of faith. Sadly, with so many in the Islamic world agreeing that Westerners must “convert or die,” all signs point to more violence ahead. [/quote]

washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20 … -9818r.htm

Anyway, my post should give others an opportunity to refute its facts with facts of their own or at the very minimum worthy sentiments that show how enlightened they are. So you see… I serve a purpose after all by providing the necessary Evil to enable Others to be Good. haha