Asking someone out politely and respectfully being declined is not sexual harassment.
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What risk? She’s not a subordinate or student, and it isn’t harassment.
I think there’s more risk from this than asking her out in person. Text-based communication can easily be mis-interpreted and manipulated to appear harrassing. And it’s evidence in court, if you’re that paranoid.
Way more complicated than it needs to be.
“Do you want to go out for a coffee date with me?”
“No, I’m afraid I can’t”
“kthnxbai”
It depends on the context, as I’ve explained above.
Those aren’t the only two examples of an imbalance of power. She is his service provider, and he is her customer.
Putting a service provider in that situation is the same as putting a subordinate or student in a similar situation.
I used to work in the service industry, and our front-line employees are not only prohibited from fraternizing with customers, but are also asked to report to HR incidents of customers asking them on dates so there can be a written record. That way, if they persist, there is written record of repeat rejections that they can use as evidence.
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I disagree. I’m not really seeing the imbalance of power here between a service provider and a customer - if there is one, I think it could go in either direction and it’s not at all equivalent to the imbalance of power between a superior and subordinate or a teacher and student.
“Fraternizing”? It’s a bank/business, not occupied France. Was this company in the U.S. or Hong Kong? In any case, your company may well have done that, but that doesn’t mean that attempting to regulate consensual interactions/relationships between adult humans is correct or the best or only approach.
I would find such a company policy overbearing, and I’d try to avoid participating in it wherever possible. The company should probably step in if it’s a repeated thing like stalking, but not for normal interactions.
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It’s a global Fortune 500 company. I worked for them in four countries.
In any case, I’d never ask someone out on their company premises when they’re working and being required to serve you and to be polite to you. That’s just my advice.
At least nobody can regulate your conversation on Line, since it’s a personal messaging app and not her work email or something.
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Probably all the harassment is in the C-suite then, suppressed by NDAs and mountains of cash. Just because they are a big company doesn’t make their practices right.
Do you have a voice made for radio.
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Hey, since you no longer bank with this lady, maybe you can ask her out now?
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Line can and will. The corporations police harder than the police!
Not if you’re just asking someone for a date.
So line won’t mind, but the bank will?
Sorry the currents of this conversation just changed and I’m stuck in a rip tide
Line is a private messaging app, meant for personal conversations. The bank is where you go to conduct business with said bank’s own employee who is required to talk to you and be polite to you.
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I’m not sure why using Line to ask someone out digitally would be any better than doing it in person anyway?
If asking someone out in this context is harassment (and I don’t think it is), it should be harassment irrespective of the mode. I think it’s pretty common here for people to use their personal Line accounts for work too, so I don’t think there’s much separation between personal and work. For example, when I was doing the quarantine during COVID, a couple of government employees added me on Line to discuss it, which I found pretty odd at the time. It was the same in China with WeChat - one app for everything, private and work, without the separation between the two that I was more familiar with from Europe.
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Did you ask them out?
Line can be used for business, if you ask a bank employee for their Line, they are probably going to assume its for professional business. If you go in there and then ask her out, you’re in more danger because Line has a record of it, and if its a professional/business account, the bank can moderate it too.
Ask her out in person, and avoid all this bullshit the world has created for us. Get declined, politely, and move on. Or she can give you her personal Line knowing full well your intentions for moving the relationship forward.
If she give a professional Line out and then you start getting personal, then it’s a lot more uncomfortable as the context is not clear.
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I think the reason this is less common here is that you’d need two phones/devices or go through some pain-in-the-arse setup process to run multiple accounts on a single device?
Nah. I was sick, we didn’t really click on the phone, and she was in Beitou. It wasn’t meant to be.
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Allow me to abstract this further because I can’t be bothered with work.
Scenario 1: Say you and I meet in person, we get on well. I ask you out. You reply “Nah fack orf m8 ur cars 2 old”. End of scenario.
Scenario 2: You and I meet in person, we get on well, we exchange Forumosa handles. I ask you out on Forumosa. No reply for 24 hours because you’re doing regular human life things. I ask again, thinking that either Forumosa or my pretty shitty rogue PC is doing janky-ass things. Suddenly, I’m liable for stalking. Post gets flagged, mods ban me, whirl of doom.
I’d rather take scenario 1.
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So she smelt like a sulphuric hot pool?
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