I have a problem

[afterspivak]

Come on man you have not yet allowed @TT to sell the original poster on the high quality food that awaits here in Taiwan!

Guy

[TT]

@RickRooney

Taiwan’s English teaching is a joke

Yeah, like the traffic and the food, the average is pretty low, e.g.:

Being bullied then dismissed on invalid grounds

Sorry, this may be a bit long. Moving to Douliu I got a job offer at a small cram school in Douliu, so I moved from Tainan to start working. It wasn’t easy having three kids under six, but we made it work because the school seemed promising, and we were looking for a place with more space and a slower lifestyle. Working 22–25 Hours Plus Camp Hours I began working on January 15th. I was not given time to observe classes, nor was I provided with a trial period. Shortly before my start date…

[the_bear]

He doesn’t have a family. Trust me.

[Swillbury]

Meaning?

[cdn1234]

… No way you’re gonna be making anything like 128k ntd out the gate here. You’ll be lucky to start around half that, and if you stay at a school for a while, you might end up making around the same. That’s my perception of it at least.

[Swillbury]

I figured that but I was more wondering about middle school, high school jobs. What kind of teachers they hire and what the work load is.

Also, what other jobs, besides teaching, are there available for laowai in Taiwan?

[Leeksoup]

Public schools hire foreign teachers all the time, mostly through the Teach Taiwan government program. They’re actually hiring now for the next school year, if you want to apply. Pay starts at ~68k NTD per month for a teacher with a Bachelor’s and no valid experience and tops out at 104k NTD/month for a Doctor with 15 years experience. You also get some money towards rent and free flights twice a year for you and one family member.

You do have to have a teaching credential, though. Quality of the schools also vary, and you can’t really choose where you work- the government places you in a school (you can say no, but no guarantees you’ll get a second placement).

[cluckin_bell]

@Swillbury

I make 28k RMB (120TWD)

The only places that pay that in Taiwan are the big private schools. But for that kind of pay you’ll need to bring something unique to the table. Usually that means a teaching license, teaching experience from your home country, and some experience with extracurricular activities or college applications. If you don’t have a teaching license then you’ll be making 60-70k TWD here.

Side note, I though all ESL teaching was now banned in China? If you have a secure, well-paid position then hold onto it with your dear life.

[Swillbury]

Thank you, exactly what I was looking for. They make you get a teaching credential from America? I assume you mean that you just need to be credentialed though any state to teach. I think I got this before in Illinois as they only require you to have a bachelors degree to be a substitute statewide.

[Swillbury]

I am sure those private schools’ teachers don’t often leave either. Similar to Japan in that the good jobs are all taken and very hard to get. Welcome to the 2025 ESL Asian market.

They banned all tutor schools, not just English. But, it’s China, so the companies just changed their business license to lifestyle training or something else as to get around the ban. Also, a lot of Chinese teachers that got laid off due to Covid and the ban now rent a studio and teach out of those.

Kindergartens can hire foreigners to teach English, they aren’t allowed to teach phonics and they can’t have any English around the school. So whenever the cops come and check, they are always hiding stuff which can be funny.

[TT]

@Swillbury

They make you get a teaching credential from America?

They’ll accept Australia or the Philippines

@Swillbury

I think I got this before in Illinois as they only require you to have a bachelors degree to be a substitute statewide

I have read on Forumosa this has been acceptable

@Swillbury

I am sure those private schools’ teachers don’t often leave either

None of the international school teachers I have met from KAS, I-Shou, or Morrison are still here. Seems turnover is pretty high, probably for a variety of reasons (itchy feet, homesickness, better opportunities, cultural/management complications, and others)

But you’re not gonna get in without a real teaching license and a few years of experience in your home country. A sub license and decades in China won’t cut it

[Leeksoup]

@Swillbury

I assume you mean that you just need to be credentialed though any state to teach.

Any state in the nation you are from. So, Americans can choose any state; Brits need QTS; etc. They’ll accept subsititute licenses too, legally, but some schools won’t hire people with only sub licenses.