What are the arguments voters that enjoy current ICE situations have? Outside of deporting bad people, controlling borders and more centrist ideas that are fairly logical that people tend to accept. But what is happening now, what are peopleās actual, logical and well thought out justification for such measures going on today?
Genuine question,without comedic answers. I am truly curious how that side of the political thought process thinks this is acceptable and what should be happening.
From what Iāve heard, it boils down to:
Repub: āThose people shouldnāt be thereā
Dem: āwhat if it happens to you?ā
Repub: āIād never be there in the first placeā
Sorry, unsatisfactory answer.
Whatās the logical, well thought out justification for such militant use on their own soil?
Example, root it out and filter. A cleansing in a way. Which is understandable, albiet I find reprehensible. Prevention and cleansing at least has a logic to a goal.
Repub: ānot my job to satisfy youā
logical: need to always have an enemy to distract the population
The problem is thereās no clear-cut, straightforward process for identifying people who are in the U.S. illegally so they can be deported via due process. Currently a person whoās in the U.S. illegally can work, get a driverās license, open a bank account, buy property and access healthcare, particularly in sanctuary states and cities, because thereās no national id card like there is in Taiwan. In Oregon, for example, itās illegal for employers and landlords to ask oneās immigration status. Try accessing any of those services in Taiwan without showing your ARC or PARC proving your residency status.
Hence, if ICE is determined to find and deport those who are in the country illegally, the only methods at its disposal are heavy-handed sweeps and raids of those who appear to be in the country illegally and then sorting out who is and who isnāt after. This inevitably leads to injustices as legal residents are detained until they can prove their residency status, which is a fundamental violation of due process.
At this point the government should just give up trying to find and deport the 12 million people who are in the country illegally because thereās no good way to do it. Another reason to not bother is because once Democrats get back in power theyāre just going to open the floodgates again and millions of strangers will start swarming into the country again like they did during the Biden Administration.
I was looking for this:
And found this also
And I agree with you. Citizens of a country who were dumb enough to elect trump again deserve this heavy handed treatment
What I said is the U.S. should just give up trying to enforce its immigration laws because itās futile.
There must be some happy medium between zero immigration enforcement and enforcers breaking the bones of senior citizens
Thanks for the well laid out response, maturity is appreciated 
Which I will follow with another question: What is the justification in forcing people to prove their legal status on the street? One could go down the road of āinnocent until proven guiltyā, but that clearly has holes. Would these people also be alright being detained, children detained separately etc until they agreed to a search and proof of ID etc?
Are these supporters, by proxy, accepting that it is OK to have heavy handed raids on identity? If they themselves are unwilling to have the same treatment, what would the justifications be I wonder?
Not wondering why illegals are being deported. Thatās obvious.
There is. Itās the national ID card system Taiwan has in place. Imagine the chaos if Taiwan had no national ID card, it was against the law to ask someoneās immigration status and one of its political parties had an open border policy.
Do you feel it is acceptable for the government to force local citizens walking down the street to show their ID then? If they donāt (or cant), detention is acceptable?
Anybody on this forum has ever been stopped by the Taiwanese police on the streets? Where the police has only requested to see your legal papers showing that you are in Taiwan legally?
How many times have you had to show you national ID card to access any necessary services here in Taiwan? The government doesnāt have to stop people on the street to show their national ID even though the law here allows it because you canāt survive in Taiwan without your national ID card.
But they doā¦. the difference is that the Taiwanese police is asking a polite question, instead of masked and armed thugs threatening people while running around beating up old people and putting handcuffs on children as ICE do in the US
If there was no national id program in Taiwan Taiwanese police would have no way of determining if youāre in the country legally short of detaining until you could prove your legal residency. How nice would that be?
So you are blaming the ICE violence on that the people canāt trust the government enough to support national ID services? So because American voters donāt want national IDās it is perfectly fine to pull out the guns and beat those Naive Americans up as they look illegal?
The Taiwanese police, as explained to a friend when his illegal maid was caught, have just a couple of simple questions they ask if the person have an excuse to not having ID to see if it is legit or not, and a huge surprise, they donāt even have to pull their gun! 
How was the maid caught?
Doesnāt seem like having ID matters in some of these cases, perhaps colour coded armbands would be more recognizable when dragging citizens from cars and kneeling on them.
If I were American I would be in favour of a national ID card, though. It could also be used for voting, on the national voting holiday which is also a good idea but unlikely to happen