The Philippines is a rich country?
You donāt have to teach English to get a residence certificateā¦ you can marry a nice local girl and wait your 12 months for HHR. Orā¦ you could get a job. Lots of jobs hiring.
At least, filipinos can come to Taiwan with a work visa and work at a factory
Exactly, IĀ“m limited to those options only. So itĀ“s not easy.
Immigrate to another country and start from zero has never been easy. Neither in USA, a land full of illegal inmigrants. People risk their lives in other to live the āamerican dreamā.
You can do the same. Nothing stopping you from working in a factory for 1 year.
If I dont have a choice, I would.
So like others you have choices.
I guess we call them the dreamers.
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Just because someone comes from what you call a rich country does not make them wealthy or highly educated either. I travel to the Philippines a lot. I see lots of wealthy people there.
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Life wasnāt meant to be easy
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Renouncement of US citizenship is irrevocable. Make sure thatās what you want before doing it.
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Same for me when I renounced Australian citizenship. Who knows the US may allow resumption in the future. Other countries have changed their laws to allow resumption, like Philippines and Australia.
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No. Itās not about brownie points. The issue is when people donāt shed tears for someone in a really hard place just because they didnāt make the same choice you did. No one is shittin on your efforts, if anything we are (or should be) VERY happy for you! I am at least, couldnāt be happier. I still think ou shouldnāt of had to go through that process.
For many of us, doing this means literally abandoning family. Having real life family issues, financial issues etc. Its not jsut abor getting anither jib. Many of us are working 12-20 hours days 7 days a week for decades. Not everyone is a drink kindy teacher working 10 a week, or whatever the the narratve people want to complain about may be . I donāt actually give 2 fucks if you, or anyone, cry about it. We are just shooting the shit after all. But to not be sympathetic to strangers that have mentioned they have very serious family altering situations by taking that step is just cold. Well, at least ignorant if not arrogant.
Iām not talking about people that are shitting on you. I am not shitting on you, at least for taking that leap. Many have done it just like you. You are elycky to have been born in Australia, a privilege in this situation many do not get. Well. Except taianese ofcourse, they get loads of privilege these days! Many are super lucky, like you, to have the chance to get their original one back. Many donāt. I understand you didnāt hen, so it was a leap of faith. I would have assumed you be more interested in helping end this double standard given your experience. Whatās more concerning is that many have just remained stateless after failing to gain Taiwan citizenship. I know thatās changed recently, but itās still a scar and some still are alive today. There is also the issue of those born and raised and currently living here on some kind of ARC. Not citizenship. Taiwanese in everyday except their parents didnāt have papers. Thatās fucked up.
Then there are the even more plentiful fools with choices, such as myself, living in taiwan for decades. Working, paying taxes, many serving pretty important roles in our communities. Even helping taiwanese get citizenship in our countries of birth and so on.
Then we see Chinese citizens come here and get citizenship relatively easy. Thatās messed up.
If I didnāt have elderly family in Canada that rely on various beaurocratic bullshit, Iād of renounced many years ago as well. But I have responsibilities for others, beyond my own personal wants. All I want is to get a reciprocal respect the government talks about and be allowed to join all my taiwanese brothers and sisters and actually carve out a proper life without getting fucked at every turn in terms of creating a financial life here. So many of us are pretty easy to just say fuck it, pull out of Taiwan and stop investing in this countryās future. This will be the nail in the coffin for Taiwan if the government doesnāt smarten the fuck up and start treating immigrants right.
Yes, thatās a choice. No question. But if people think we donāt deserve the same treatment locals get, at least on the senseā¦ Even though we often have lived here longer, worked harder, paid more into society etc than the new generation of birth rights wih paperworkā¦ all without representation and some very real hurdles to live (ie ability to own real estate, do certain jobs, voteā¦even volunteering). Then I say we have a responsibility to push for greater human rights. Just because you, me and everyone else resides on the backs of generations past that truly sacrificed for you to live this way, doesnāt mean we stop now and just go full complacent, wipe our hands clean and call it a day. We need to pick up the slack and keep pushing harder. People that do this are the only reason our country is as great as it is. We could EASILY just be like China today. We arenāt. Because people fight. But we can easily degrade into dog shit jsut thevsame, if we din actually put in effort.
If anyone doesnāt want to shed a tear. Thats fine. That type of bullsht just infuriates people enough to fight harder. In a fucked up way that level of attitude only serves to infuriate more people to fight against. Letās just hope that demographic stays tiny!
I get others took leaps. Doesnāt mean others didnāt in different realms or ways. Fact is that if Taiwan wants to play the reciprocal game where the government thinks they are Mister Nice Guy by claiming we just do to you as you do to us, then pull this hypocritical swindle towards long term residents who often times deserve to be citizens and whose birth nation actually welcomes taiwaneseā¦ Itās wrong, and we should fight it. Even those that had it harder before, thatās not a reason to keep the status quo so blatantly retarded. We can do better. And instead of āshedding a tearā (no body wants or cares about your tears), maybe just a push for a country when it does something good for society. We dont need tears. We need effort. We need equality.
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Actually, if I were offered American citizenship on the condition that I must renounce my Taiwanese one, Iād do it without a second thoughtā¦
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Shit. I never thought Iād say thisā¦ but I feel really bad about what happened to you :ā(
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I say this knowing American leadership is screwed up and that the quality of life is likely getting harder unless youāre making six figures (which for me is unlikely).
But Iām only āTaiwaneseā on paper. I speak the language, but I donāt think anything like Taiwanese.
Plus if I could ever go back to the states, Iām more likely to put myself in a self imposed exile, go live in a remote area close to the Canadian border, or perhaps Alaska.
Exactly. You either renounce or you donāt. If you donāt like the law petition to get it changed. If that fails then take that leap of faith, or not.
No one shed any tears when I was stateless or could not resume citizenship. I didnāt either. I donāt accept that changing your nationality means abandoning ones family. Life is full of choices, like immigrating to a new country in the first place.
I get a chuckle when people claim I donāt understand what itās like to have parents or family overseas in another country. Maybe they think I came from a test tube.
Ignorant I must be lol
Petition, do it or quit is a short sighted way of creating change on the national level.
You arenāt wrong, that line of thinking is indeed quite ignorant. Thankfully there are others willing to fighter harder than you 
I respect everyone that is actually trying, be it this double standard or other issues.
Is this perhaps a jealousy thing? No one shed tears for you when you did it, so you want everyone else to have that hardship as well? Thatās a terrible way to evolve and progress as a nation. None of us want your tears. We just want society to make things fair, equal and move forward. This isnāt exactly a radical issue.
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No I donāt. and anyway how I did it cannot happen anymore. So rather moot
@Fuzzy_Barbecue put himself through the wringer as well.
He was surprised to learn I was stateless for a long time. We just more determined than some others is all.
Now the system really is renunciation for all mere mortals who are not Plum Blossom card holders or people like @fifieldt and I am happy for those who have ways to do it. Iāve said for over 20 years on this forum I would support dropping renunciation and allowing dual citizenship so people do not have to go through what I went through. But itās not really my fight is it? Lots of Taiwanese I speak to donāt really care about it either. My wife doesnāt care about it as she is not affected by it. She doesnāt want to live overseas again ( five years abroad ) or get citizenship elsewhere.
I do what I can, which is help people through the process. Or sign a petition
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