If you agree we (Taiwan) should have this, then what were you on about before?
It’s a choice to make it your fight. As you guys say, choices. Some of us do choose to fight for others as well.
The kicker is, this benefits Taiwan. Not just you, me, or the few individuals. It would actually be selfishly beneficial to fight for this as it makes the quality of life and the longevity of this county better. The narcissists could even pretend and post that they are fighting the good fight publicly for their brownie points and self gratification if they so choose.
(Edit olm: do not use offensive language in legal, especially not towards other posters relatives. While frustration about this situation is understandable, attacks on others are not)
[Edit Olm: wife not supporting others in this situation, even though husband was going through it] what we all see in taiwanese society. We need to make an effort to evolve that type of thinking. We meaning everyone in Taiwan, not just you or me. That level of selfishness and not caring doesn’t serve society well long term. Probably erodes it over the generations is my guess.
When she met me I was already a citizen with HHR and ID card and a single father raising a child. She doesn’t need to make pretends over an issue she has no interest in. She knows I renounced is all. She hasn’t really delved into it too much. She knows @comfy and our ex Canadian friend John, our big Maltese UK friend who recently naturalized and several others, some Vietnamese and Philippines lasses married and living up here. None of them really talk about their own naturalization either.
If you think I need brownie points you are sorely mistaken lol
I’d rather just get on with helping those who want to naturalize do so. By the way some of these people know they cannot resume their birth citizenship and still want to apply. Some could resume but decided not to as well.
I know several ex members of this forum who naturalized and don’t care about the petition.
I agree but this petition should ask that all people who want to become citizens not be required to meet any financial income requirement for those not married to ROC citizens. Include citizenship for children born here to an APRC holding parent.
Renouncing your citizenship is not only issue. What about passing test in language proficiency. After 11 years I can barely sign my name in Chinese. Over years I tried 3 different language school, did full semester, couldn’t score 20% on test.
You need to contact @comfy on how to pass the test for those struggling with Chinese language. A good friend of mine who passed it recently has been here over 20 years and is in your language ability situation. He got 70% on the written test with a little help from his friends.
You have to pass the Chinese language test before you naturalize here as part of the process.
Yup a Canadian friend of mine did this. It was good for him at least now he understands more Chinese than he did before. He found that renunciation was very slow from Canadian authorities and that Taiwan has very fast processes.
@anon24369109 and I have a good friend who can only say “wu ting bu dong.” He genuinely cannot have a conversation in Chinese and cannot recognize any characters - other than his Chinese surname…
The HHR lady needed to call his wife to confirm that he really wanted to waste money on a test he clearly could not pass.
She eventually put him in a room and took away his cellphone. She gave him 30 minutes to do the test…
He finished in 3 minutes…
The lady had a smirk as she took it away to grade. She then came back absolutely stunned… He got 70%.
She then went on to talk again in Chinese… and all he said was “wu ting bu dong.”
I’m not attacking anyone’s wife. He said she didn’t care uimself, not me. My point is fair, Taiwan needs people that care more about others, especially the matters that affect their family members. That’s just a fact. And a deep issue within te society here in taiwan. Be it his wife or anyone else. I find it sad when people are so indifferent, even towards their closest relatves. But to each their own. Part of being a free country.
On other notes. A big difference between having to renounce whilst taiwanese don’t need to and people needing financial security is that one is a double standard and taiwan loves to play the reciprocal card whilst one isn’t.
A minimum income is basic for countries. Things like covering NHI cksts etc come to mind. Not even just immigrants, but often even for visitors, you need to prove ou can pay your basic needs.
Here’s a kicker, I can’t legally run my business in taiwan because foreigners are not allowed to (I’m not in any tech, security etc realms, just food production). There are work arounds obviously. My wife needs to be on all the paperwork because she is a citizen. But her being the company head also bars her from doing many things in our industry that owners of companies are not allowed to do. Taiwan is an extreme of work arounds and beaurocracy. Sure, choices.
We need more people to care in order to get the governmental shit more streamlined. If some people’s family don’t care, thats their right. But it’s not exact worthy of much respect in my opinion.
It’s also a choice to care and put in some work for the betterment of our country. If not this cause no problem. But for something that is meaningful and impactfull for at least ones immediate family
