I love my sports, but I am not there to pick up chicks and just because the taiwanese chicks worship caucasian guys here in taiwan it doesn’t mean you can start to get cocky about it.
Cocky? Don’t get personal and jump to conclusions if you’re not completely sure what’s being said or meant… Stating the obvious isn’t cocky.
Besides which, perhaps part of your women related problems would be solved if you’d refrain from calling women “chicks”, along with making sweeping generalizations based on race and individuals you know little to nothing about.
To refresh your memory:
[quote=“section61”]Guys, be realistic about it. People like to hang around the circle, and if you don’t move out of the circle, you’ll never to get see a different society.
I am an Asian bloke, and I usually get a long better with cocasian women than Asian women, never dated an Asian women before.[/quote]
I remarked that it may be better if you widened your circle of acceptable partners, especially considering that a very small percentage of women in Taiwan are foreign and a very small percentage of that is white. The number is even smaller when considering a single city.
Not cocky. Just stating what should have been obvious.
Unless, of course, you’d like to argue that foreign women are in the majority in Taiwan… However, then you’d have to explain why you said - “there is no cocasian women here”.
Which is the opposite of your last post where you say you, and I quote, “love my sports, but I am not there to pick up chicks”.
Whether that was your meaning or not, “I live in Taichung and there is no cocasian women here, so I don’t know what to do here apart from my ice hockey…” implies you don’t know what to do in Taichung to meet Caucasian women apart from going to ice hockey on Sundays or the pool after work, especially as (according to you) there are no “cocasian” women in Taichung.
Or, alternatively, what with the absence of “cocasian” women in Taichung, you don’t know what to do (in general, implying that if there were “cocasian” women in Taichung you would know what to do) so you go to ice hockey and the pool.
Either way, the implication of your sentence is that the absence of “cocasian” women in Taichung results in you going to ice hockey or the pool, not for the love of sport, but for either want of anything to do in the absence of “cocasian” women, or to seek them out…
I responded that:
A. Your statement must be incorrect. There has to be Caucasian women in Taichung. Perhaps not tens of thousands, but there certainly are.
B. The best way to find them wouldn’t be ice hockey or the swimming pool.
Again, not cocky. Just stating the blatantly obvious.
Cocky would’ve been if I’d said something like, “If I went to an ice hockey game or a pool the women would flock to me like ducks to water. Hahahaha!!! Asian “chicks” dig me! I"m so awesome!!!”
[quote=“section61”]So, it’s not fair to say that no taiwanese guy would date a cocasain woman. There are more local girls dating the
Americans
here from what I’ve seen, so if the numbers increased, then there will be more trend of taiwanese guy dating a cocasian woman.
Regards.[/quote]
That was just plain nonsensical babble, so I didn’t even bother with that part…
Also, not cocky, just neglect.
Oh, btw - As far as this gem of yours is concerned, “taiwanese chicks worship caucasian guys here in taiwan”. Never met a Taiwanese “chick” who "worships Caucasian guys. The majority would prefer a Taiwanese guy with similar interests and a shared culture and language. I’ve met a few slutty women who’d shag anything (which isn’t unique to Taiwan btw). I’ve met a few Taiwanese women who like foreign guys. I’ve met a few who had no preference but married a foreigner because that’s simply the person they fell in love with regardless of superficialities like race. I’ve even met Taiwanese guys who like foreign women. But I’ve never encountered any that worship Caucasian guys. If you know any, please be so kind as to send them south to Tainan. I need a pick me upper around Monday mornings. A little “worship” would be a nice kick start to the week…
Cocky? Don’t get personal and jump to conclusions if you’re not completely sure what’s being said or meant… Stating the obvious isn’t cocky.
Besides which, perhaps part of your women related problems would be solved if you’d refrain from calling women “chicks”, along with making sweeping generalizations based on race and individuals you know little to nothing about.
To refresh your memory:
[quote=“section61”]Guys, be realistic about it. People like to hang around the circle, and if you don’t move out of the circle, you’ll never to get see a different society.
I am an Asian bloke, and I usually get a long better with cocasian women than Asian women, never dated an Asian women before.[/quote]
I remarked that it may be better if you widened your circle of acceptable partners, especially considering that a very small percentage of women in Taiwan are foreign and a very small percentage of that is white. The number is even smaller when considering a single city.
Not cocky. Just stating what should have been obvious.
Unless, of course, you’d like to argue that foreign women are in the majority in Taiwan… However, then you’d have to explain why you said - “there is no cocasian women here”.
Which is the opposite of your last post where you say you, and I quote, “love my sports, but I am not there to pick up chicks”.
Whether that was your meaning or not, “I live in Taichung and there is no cocasian women here, so I don’t know what to do here apart from my ice hockey…” implies you don’t know what to do in Taichung to meet Caucasian women apart from going to ice hockey on Sundays or the pool after work, especially as (according to you) there are no “cocasian” women in Taichung.
Or, alternatively, what with the absence of “cocasian” women in Taichung, you don’t know what to do (in general, implying that if there were “cocasian” women in Taichung you would know what to do) so you go to ice hockey and the pool.
Either way, the implication of your sentence is that the absence of “cocasian” women in Taichung results in you going to ice hockey or the pool, not for the love of sport, but for either want of anything to do in the absence of “cocasian” women, or to seek them out…
I responded that:
A. Your statement must be incorrect. There has to be Caucasian women in Taichung. Perhaps not tens of thousands, but there certainly are.
B. The best way to find them wouldn’t be ice hockey or the swimming pool.
Again, not cocky. Just stating the blatantly obvious.
Cocky would’ve been if I’d said something like, “If I went to an ice hockey game or a pool the women would flock to me like ducks to water. Hahahaha!!! Asian “chicks” dig me! I"m so awesome!!!”
[quote=“section61”]So, it’s not fair to say that no taiwanese guy would date a cocasain woman. There are more local girls dating the
Americans
here from what I’ve seen, so if the numbers increased, then there will be more trend of taiwanese guy dating a cocasian woman.
Regards.[/quote]
That was just plain nonsensical babble, so I didn’t even bother with that part…
Also, not cocky, just neglect.
Oh, btw - As far as this gem of yours is concerned, “taiwanese chicks worship caucasian guys here in taiwan”. Never met a Taiwanese “chick” who "worships Caucasian guys. The majority would prefer a Taiwanese guy with similar interests and a shared culture and language. I’ve met a few slutty women who’d shag anything (which isn’t unique to Taiwan btw). I’ve met a few Taiwanese women who like foreign guys. I’ve met a few who had no preference but married a foreigner because that’s simply the person they fell in love with regardless of superficialities like race. I’ve even met Taiwanese guys who like foreign women. But I’ve never encountered any that worship Caucasian guys. If you know any, please be so kind as to send them south to Tainan. I need a pick me upper around Monday mornings. A little “worship” would be a nice kick start to the week…[/quote]
This thread is getting out of control. 
I don’t know.
A lot of the foreign guys I’ve met in Taipei or Hsinchu seem to have these superiority complexes. They do walk around like they are God’s gift to women. It’s a huge turn-off for me. I’m not saying I’m rejecting all white guys forever but the one’s I’ve met have been very unappealing here. I’ve met white guys from America, Canada, France, England, Russia. They all seem to have the same thing going on.
Either they think they can get any woman they want or they treat you like their next conquest. There is this disgusting arrogance that oozes off them. Blaghh.
Luckily I really don’t care that much. My top priority in Taiwan has nothing to do with securing a relationship.
My main point for posting in this thread was to say that there are white women who are interested in dating Asian men but it seems that in Taiwan it is much more difficult for white women to date than for white men.
I will try to stop oozing disgusting arrogance.
[quote=“Skyfae”]This thread is getting out of control. 
I don’t know.
A lot of the foreign guys I’ve met in Taipei or Hsinchu seem to have these superiority complexes. They do walk around like they are God’s gift to women. It’s a huge turn-off for me. I’m not saying I’m rejecting all white guys forever but the one’s I’ve met have been very unappealing here. I’ve met white guys from America, Canada, France, England, Russia. They all seem to have the same thing going on.
Either they think they can get any woman they want or they treat you like their next conquest. There is this disgusting arrogance that oozes off them. Blaghh.
Luckily I really don’t care that much. My top priority in Taiwan has nothing to do with securing a relationship.
My main point for posting in this thread was to say that there are white women who are interested in dating Asian men but it seems that in Taiwan it is much more difficult for white women to date than for white men.[/quote]
A lot of what you say is true. Personally I don’t get along with most foreigners here either, but that may also be my fault as I don’t particularly go out of my way.
I have noticed the whole Arrogant thing is a white male expat trait. Many of them are generally successful and have become full of themselves. I was in SG over the weekend and I could barely stomach being around these two American dudes who literally had no manners. They were young, had cash, and no concept of socializing. One actually called a girl his host was talking to ugly to her face. His exact words were “look at her teeth, she has to blow you with that mouth”.
My friend and I took one down a notch. He kept talking about how German girls were the perfect face, body, and totally slutty. He would also walk up to people and say “There is something red on my dick and its not lipstick”. Anyways my boy walks up to him and says ,“German girls are Ice queens and would never fuck a guy like you, you have never been to Germany and have diarrhea of the mouth”. So he turns to me, thinking me an unrelated American to confide in and I say ," Maybe if you didn’t have to pay for strange in Geylong you wouldn’t have picked up herpes". Got his fat ass running away quick.
[quote=“djlowballer”]I have noticed the whole Arrogant thing is a white male expat trait. Many of them are generally successful and have become full of themselves. I was in SG over the weekend and I could barely stomach being around these two American dudes who literally had no manners. They were young, had cash, and no concept of socializing. One actually called a girl his host was talking to ugly to her face. His exact words were “look at her teeth, she has to blow you with that mouth”.
My friend and I took one down a notch. He kept talking about how German girls were the perfect face, body, and totally slutty. He would also walk up to people and say “There is something red on my dick and its not lipstick”. Anyways my boy walks up to him and says ,“German girls are Ice queens and would never fuck a guy like you, you have never been to Germany and have diarrhea of the mouth”. So he turns to me, thinking me an unrelated American to confide in and I say ," Maybe if you didn’t have to pay for strange in Geylong you wouldn’t have picked up herpes". Got his fat ass running away quick.[/quote]
I met someone from somewhere once who was really rude and unpleasant. They’re all like that those someones from somewhere.
Yes however there seems to be a higher occurrence of rude and unpleasant folk in groups of NA/European expats than the general populace of every place I have worked.
It’s because many of them are young and here to party. Do young people behave themselves when they go on vacation? For a lot of the ‘passing through’ expats it’s just a year long vacation, and they behave accordingly. Another reason is the expat community can attract weird types, but this is true everywhere. ‘Push’ factors are often much stronger than ‘pull’ factors when people are moving from a richer country to a poorer country. Consequently there are a higher proportion of odd types within expat communities than in the general population.
My mate’s mum sold up and retired to Barbados after she was widowed. If you want to see white people behaving really badly you should check out the expat community there. The long termer white (because you’re talking about white) expats in Taiwan are actually very well-behaved in my experience. They have ties to the country so don’t mess things up.
What’s the point of ranting about expats behaving badly in a foreign country?
Sure some does, but also some don’t.
Sure if you hang out in hypy-trendy nightclubs, what do you expect the crowd to be?
What goes around comes around…
And Skyfae, I don’t know what some expat did to you, but it must have been SOOOO mean, for you to be so bitter about expats in taiwan.
And also, this is so ridiculous how expats can complain about other expats “ignoring” them, or being “so proud”… While in fact the “so proud” expat just feel he is the one being ignored… You know, a little goes a long long way…
[quote=“Frenchguy”]What’s the point of ranting about expats behaving badly in a foreign country?
Sure some does, but also some don’t.
Sure if you hang out in hypy-trendy nightclubs, what do you expect the crowd to be?
What goes around comes around…
And Skyfae, I don’t know what some expat did to you, but it must have been SOOOO mean, for you to be so bitter about expats in Taiwan.
And also, this is so ridiculous how expats can complain about other expats “ignoring” them, or being “so proud”… While in fact the “so proud” expat just feel he is the one being ignored… You know, a little goes a long long way…[/quote]
I’m not saying all foreigners in Taiwan are mean or arrogant. Just that many are. Even some of the women I’ve met have this aura about them. I remember my first few weeks here I felt very discouraged. I would say hi to a fellow foreigner and be met with either blank expressions or a hostile glare much of the time. I have made some foreign friends but honestly I’d prefer to hang out with locals. If I could ever learn Chinese, that is. :aiyo:
When I’ve gone out to clubs (which I don’t do that often) the foreign guys either act high and mighty or they act like creeps, thinking I would flock to them like some of the Asian women do here. (Note: there are plenty of Asian women who see through their shite too).
It’s hard to explain. It’s in the way these guys talk, their body language. There are two foreign men I have become friends with but both of them are much older than myself and have been here for quite some time. They’re pretty laid back and don’t have those kind of egos. Most of the other cool foreign men I know are gay.
Again, my point was to say that there are white girls in Taiwan who want to date Asian men but it’s difficult. I don’t want to date Asian men because I’ve been rejected by white guys here (in fact, the opposite is true, I have rejected white guys because of what cretins some of them are) but because I tend to be more attracted to some Asian men. But alot of them give extreme mixed signals or act very timid and I don’t know how to handle it, esp since I’m kind of shy myself. So it goes nowhere.
Very confusing actually.
Ya know. I get really annoyed by these, like, FOB foreigners, ya know, talking all loud and making stupid assumptions about who I am, what I’m about or the nature of my relationships. I really couldn’t give a toss since I’m usually with my friends or family. Like, I’ll nod and acknowledge them, but why would I want to, ya know, know them. It would take too much time and effort to explain anything to them. Some of them have this sphere of negativity around them. Bad juju - just stay away.
[quote=“Skyfae”]I’m not saying all foreigners in Taiwan are mean or arrogant. Just that many are. Even some of the women I’ve met have this aura about them. I remember my first few weeks here I felt very discouraged. I would say hi to a fellow foreigner and be met with either blank expressions or a hostile glare much of the time. I have made some foreign friends but honestly I’d prefer to hang out with locals. If I could ever learn Chinese, that is. :aiyo:
When I’ve gone out to clubs (which I don’t do that often) the foreign guys either act high and mighty or they act like creeps, thinking I would flock to them like some of the Asian women do here. (Note: there are plenty of Asian women who see through their shite too).
It’s hard to explain. It’s in the way these guys talk, their body language. There are two foreign men I have become friends with but both of them are much older than myself and have been here for quite some time. They’re pretty laid back and don’t have those kind of egos. Most of the other cool foreign men I know are gay.
Again, my point was to say that there are white girls in Taiwan who want to date Asian men but it’s difficult. I don’t want to date Asian men because I’ve been rejected by white guys here (in fact, the opposite is true, I have rejected white guys because of what cretins some of them are) but because I tend to be more attracted to some Asian men. But alot of them give extreme mixed signals or act very timid and I don’t know how to handle it, esp since I’m kind of shy myself. So it goes nowhere.
Very confusing actually.[/quote]
While I don’t agree with lots of what has been said about foreign guys (and girls) I do agree Taiwanese guys give confusing signals. I can never figure out if they are actually interested in me or if they want to be my friend and practice english or something. The I’m shy and they are shyer thing is a major problem. Personally I don’t have a particular preference for race, but there are a lot more Taiwanese men available, if only they weren’t so confusing. I also do agree that some foreign guys behave very badly, especially at clubs, but that is to be expecetd. Guys who spend alot of time in clubs (no matter the country) are usually looking for one thing (in my expereince), and its not a relationship.
Taiwanese guys are often shy-er then some girls. And in Taiwan a lot of TW girls take the initiative and take the lead in their relationships. Dont be shy yourself. See someone you like, do what a lot of TW girls do, go up there and talk and get his fone number and call him. Generally TW guys are not that much different then other guys. Except a lot of them wont chase you, because they are too scared, or dont think they will succeed or just dont know what to do. BAsically if he is going out with you…he likes you ok? Take it from there. Put whatever kinda label you want, be it language exchange , blah blah or blah blah. IF hes going out with you on a regular basis, you can safely take the next step. My first TW gf seduced me the first day we met. I came out ok, didnt i?
She saw me at the pool, swam over, introduced herself, kept herself in my orbit the whole day, invited me to her house, and err. picture the rest yourself.
Same with the girls. If one is going out with you, she likes you already.
Its not that mysterious. But a lot of them are shy (guys and girls) so you have to be aggressive because they probably are not going to be. But if you make the approach you could be surprised how warm a reception you will get? OR not, but thats the risk.
OK, that’s plainly rude.
It’s also possible that foreigner feel “threatened” by your presence, ie they know they don’t have that aura they may have on local girls, and thus feel like they need to lower your status, thus explaining the behaviours you’re complaining about.
That could also be the reason why you have so much trouble dating local guys, since they may percieve you as out of their league
reminds me of one time I approached a French women near the bookstore on Renai (?) and asked her out. Her response was something like, I’ve been here 3 years and you’re the first Asian to ask me, and tomorrow I’m leaving. sigh.
We decided to have coffee nearby and talked about this very phenomenon.
The way I see it, as someone else mentioned, the biggest obstacle is in the cross-cultural barrier, specifically differences in custom of courtship. Chinese guys, especially if traditional (and depending where you’re brought up), don’t approach strangers and act aggressively, because it’s considered rude. Almost all of my parents’ generation’s marriages I can think of, came about from group social get-togethers, friendships and introductions. OTH, I know Taiwanese guys in Germany (ditto vancouver) that grew up there and so are used to courtship customs there and have no problem interacting with females of any ethnicity.
The second biggest obstacle is of course negative media stereotypes. It kinda gets old when foreigners assume you must know kung fu or are part of some criminal organization (but maybe without that cool factor of the Italian Mafia in america)
Yeah, but your name’s Anthony, right? :raspberry: