Is it illegal? sexual relationship w/ mother-in-law

Under the law, is it considered illegal for a man to have sexual relationship with his mother-in-law? (his wife’s biological mother) Is this considered incest in the eyes of the law? Can he be held crimanally liable and face prosecution?

In this case, the man is 31. The wife is 22. The wife’s biological mother is 43. Since this is an actual case, they(two of those three) have requested that I do not include more details in this question… Edit: When I said “under the law” it refers to one of these countries: US, France, Canada, Taiwan, or New Zealand.

Are there any legal precedents in cases like this?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Have there been cases where someone has married their husband’s/wive’s brother sister ? Or have I only seen that in soap operas ? Bill Wyman’s son married Mandy Smith’s mother.

If he’s married, it’s criminal adultery in Taiwan (regardless of the incest aspect). Of course, like any crime, it may be difficult proving that it occurred.

Oh, by the way, nice mom.

We all know guys will stray, but for a mom to stab her daughter in the back like that just for a little nookie, that’s pathetic. Surely she could find someone else to fuck her. But I suspect she was always a lousy mom with low moral standards, as it’s hardly a trivial thing to decide to fuck your child’s spouse. Loser. :raspberry:

If he’s in Taiwan he’ll be dead the moment hubby and the rest of the family find out …

why would it be considered incest?

You’re from Kentucky, aren’t you?

I am not sure that it would be considered incest: there is no blood relation, in fact, he is genetically just as related to his wife as to his mother-in-law. Those are the grounds for incest, or at least the origins of the taboo.

Still immoral for so many other reasons. Doesn’t only happen on TV, though, I guess.

So not incest, but equally icky?

HG

[quote=“creamypanda”]
Since this is an actual case, they(two of those three) have requested that I
do not include more details in this question… .[/quote]

i bet it’s the wife and the mom any takers?

[quote=“urodacus”]I am not sure that it would be considered incest: there is no blood relation, in fact, he is genetically just as related to his wife as to his mother-in-law. Those are the grounds for incest, or at least the origins of the taboo.

Still immoral for so many other reasons. Doesn’t only happen on TV, though, I guess.[/quote]

I’m not sure that’s correct.

I believe incest is a legal term, in which case it depends on the local statutory definition of incest.

I believe you’re thinking of inbreeding, which to my understanding is the scientific term for sex with close genetic relatives.

Why are you focusing on blaming the mom? If all guys will stray (nice way to side-step taking any sort of responsibility for infidelity), then certainly you could stray with someone else other than your mother-in-law.

It’s a shame there’s no Jerry Springer in Taiwan. I’m sure all parties could amicably reconcile their differences there.

Sure, the guy’s a dick, no question about it, and she should divorce him.

But I blame the mom even more, because I don’t believe any love should be stronger than that of a parent for a child. Yea, grown ups can fall in love and get married. But with a parent it’s different. In most cases, the child was totally dependent on the mom for 9 months as it developed in her stomach, then for many years afterwards as she fed, bathed, clothed the child, helped it learn to walk, talk, make choices in life. I don’t see how any bond could be stronger than that and many parents would chop off an arm if their child needed it. So for the mom to, presumably, go through all that and then give it all up for a quick shag with some scumbag foreigner. . . I do think that’s much more despicable.

The husband is related to the girl only by marriage and presumably was not a part of her life for the first 18 or 20 years. But the mom should be the closest person on earth to the child, willing to do anything for her. . . except stab her in the back. But this mom obviously is not like that. She’s obviously a worthless, scummy, immoral loser with no conscience or integrity at all, and she cares only for herself. Too bad. I pity the girl.

Now, a threesome would be incest, but not for him.

Probably only illegal here in Taiwan, not the other countries mentioned.

It’s gotta be the wife and the mum, as he’s off down at the pub bragging about it.

Or maybe it’s him and the mum, and he still wants visitation rights with his (future?) kids…

I think MT’s attitude about this situation (i.e. blaming the mother more than the husband) is an unfortunate indicator of the sad state of marriage these days. Of course the mother/child relationship is a special one and a mother who does something like this is despicable. But don’t marriage vows count for anything? Is it really such a stretch to believe that a man will be committed, honest, and faithful to his wife? Call me naive, but I hope I never become that jaded.

I believe that a spouse should be at least equally as important to a person as a parent OR a child. Perhaps that’s not the case in traditional Chinese culture, but it certainly is in traditional Western culture, or at least the ones that are rooted in Christian values. If I get married, I expect that my husband will be the person who’s the closest person on earth to me and vice versa.

To say that “the husband is only related to the girl by marriage” significantly downplays the importance of a marriage partner in a person’s life. Today divorce is so common, that I suppose people don’t take marriage all that seriously anymore, but damn. I know at least some people have fulfilling, happy and committed marriages. I hope I will too someday.

Sincerely,

Pollyerhu

this is going in the wrong direction…

I’ll clarify by saying that none of them are Asian. Just happen to be in Taiwan…

[quote=“Erhu”]I think MT’s attitude about this situation (i.e. blaming the mother more than the husband) is an unfortunate indicator of the sad state of marriage these days. Of course the mother/child relationship is a special one and a mother who does something like this is despicable. But don’t marriage vows count for anything? Is it really such a stretch to believe that a man will be committed, honest, and faithful to his wife? Call me naive, but I hope I never become that jaded.

I believe that a spouse should be at least equally as important to a person as a parent OR a child. Perhaps that’s not the case in traditional Chinese culture, but it certainly is in traditional Western culture, or at least the ones that are rooted in Christian values. If I get married, I expect that my husband will be the person who’s the closest person on earth to me and vice versa.

To say that “the husband is only related to the girl by marriage” significantly downplays the importance of a marriage partner in a person’s life. Today divorce is so common, that I suppose people don’t take marriage all that seriously anymore, but damn. I know at least some people have fulfilling, happy and committed marriages. I hope I will too someday.

Sincerely,

Pollyerhu[/quote]

First, I agree about the sad of state of marriage these days, though I didn’t mean to suggest at all that the marital bond is insignificant or cheating should be tolerated. On the contrary, I said if a guy screws his wife’s mother he’s a dick and she should divorce him. His behavior goes beyond the pale and no amount of pleading and excuses should make up for it (except in Benjamin Braddock’s case, because Mrs. Robinson was much older and cleverer and used all her guile to trick him into it, and because Katharine Ross was so beautiful and that frat boy she was going to marry seemed like such a loser and the ending of the movie was awesome, as was the soundtrack, but that was just a movie, albeit a great one).

I was just saying that, no matter how important a marital bond may be, the bond between a parent and child should always be stronger, given that it is genetic and existed from even before birth and for many years the child’s very life was literally dependent on the parent. No matter how much one may love one’s spouse, all of that is not present in a marital relationship. No offense intended at all, but once you become a parent you will understand.

Second, please refrain from using the lame old cliche about “Christian values.” To many people those words are insulting and wrong. I’m not sure if such values encompass the behavior of preachers scandalized for cheating on taxes, or having sex with prostitutes, or accumulating millions through fraud, or sodomizing choir boys, or ordinary Christians who lie, cheat and steal, but I do know that most jews, hindus, muslims, atheists, agnostics, wiccans, pagans and others have moral beliefs at least as worthy of respect as those of Christians.

But, I don’t want to argue. I just wanted to state my belief (and of course others are free to disagree) that, no matter how much one loves ones spouse, the parental relationship by its nature should always be even more sacred (though in reality, of course, it doesn’t always work out that way).

[quote=“Mother Theresa”]
I was just saying that, no matter how important a marital bond may be, the bond between a parent and child should always be stronger[/quote]

You were just saying…and I was just disagreeing. I think putting parents/kids above a spouse is misguided and wrong.

And spare me your drama about the words Christian values. If you are offended or insulted by those two words then it’s time for some thicker skin.

Let me know where this goes. I’m sure that this would do well on Jerry Springer.

Isn’t this the same poster who started a thread bragging about banging another man’s wife and then asking if adultery was illegal in Taiwan, or do I have him confused with someone else?