As US media fills the airwaves with emotional domestic issues and to distract from the destructive and failing foreign policies , many have been sounding the warning bells only to be marginalized by the media whores and right wing apologists on the govt payroll who get the airtime. Airtime that should be used to criticize the representatives more concerned with who will fund their election campaign and lack of concern for the turmoil within it’s own borders. In the wake of US terrorism ,the childish propaganda and lies that they have resorted to to support it, is growing animosity by those affected by it,but the world community. With a line up of nutcases eager to continue and even out do the current administration’s foreign policies ,the once respected US of A is destined to the dustbin of the history books as the greatest terrorist state the world has known. RIP USA.
The United States is a free, democratic, secular country that gives massive amounts of aid around the world and has conducted several humanitarian campaigns in the last century.
Now if you’re talking about whether the US has some major foreign policy problems and has made some epic foreign policy blunders in recent decades, then yes I’m right with you. I am as anti US foreign policy as anybody, but let’s not confuse the two. Bad foreign policy is not equivalent to terrorism. The United States is not a terrorist state.
It would be interesting to know which countries’/organizations’ bombs, bullets and missiles have caused the most civilian casualties in the Middle East this century. The U.S. would certainly be in the top five.
Just to put things in perspective, the combined total of civilian casualties in the U.S. and Europe from Islamic terrorism in the 21st century would be about one week of carnage due to U.S. ordnance in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen.
Yes but that’s why it’s called foreign policy and not terrorism. Nobody is denying that United States intervention and conflicts aren’t responsible for a high body count, that’s just a fact. But the difference lies in that many intelligent, democratic, secular, free thinking people disagree on which of those conflicts were necessary and which were not. I don’t see the point in throwing the word terrorism around. Americans are not terrorists, and the United States is not a terrorist country.
When a bomb lands in the middle of your wedding party, your family home is turned to rubble killing everyone in it or your hospital is obliterated around you it doesn’t really matter whether it was terrorism or foreign policy that did it. Innocent people are still just as dead for some twisted ideology. It’s like the Iraqi farmer said when the U.S. soldiers passing through his fields during The War About Nothing asked him through an interpreter if he’d seen any foreign fighters: “Yes, you,” he answered.
It’s not just terminology, and there was no winning side (in capitals for some reason) The difference between foreign policy and terrorism is beyond semantics. It gets to the point of intent which is the battle we are in right now. Terrorists intend to kill civilians, we don’t. Intent matters in philosophy, it matters in law, and it matters with respect to terrorism vs foreign policy.
I was as outspoken against the Iraq war as anybody and I still am. It was arguably the worst foreign policy decision in US history, top of my head I can’t think of any that were worse. But is it too much to ask that intelligent people don’t completely lose the plot here? It was not a terrorist attack.
Unfortunately the bad guys of the world aren’t willing to take a group vacation to a deserted island so we can avoid civilian casualties. If they did that, no civilians would be in danger, at least not from our side. The same can’t be said of real terrorists. Even if there are no soldiers in the area to target, do you think that stops terrorists from attacking anyway? Of course not, that’s what makes them terrorists. George Bush was not a terrorist, he was just a moron.
Many intelligent people see that the U.S. avoids accountability for its alleged crimes against humanity not because of its innocence but because of its power.
You’re right it didn’t. It sprung up around 600 from a delightful young fella named Muhammad, and since then has had many contributing factors keeping it alive and well through 1400 years of global progress of which the Islamists of the world seem to have consistently avoided. Sure the west has played their part in the last century, but Islamic fundamentalism was going strong for nearly 1200 years before America was even a country.
I agree Sunnis and Shias hate western imperialism, and for good reason. Our foreign policy is largely a clusterfuck with the Iraq war being our defining failure. But there is something they hate even more than the west. Each other. If every single American was killed today, they’d still wake up tomorrow and continue killing each other.
Anyway, I’m still strongly against America’s foreign policy and I hope the next government wakes the fuck up. I’m just not willing to call Obama or Americans terrorists, and refuse to label America a terrorist state. If that’s a minority opinion, I guess i’m in the minority. Honestly, I had no idea there were people who think Obama is a terrorist. Learn something new everyday right?
If Pax Americana is so reason and logic based then it shouldn’t fear an independent investigation into its hour-long attack on the Doctors Without Borders hospital in Kundaz, Afghanistan last October in which thirty people including doctors and patients were burned to death in their beds and cut down by machine gun fire while fleeing hospital buildings. So far the U.S. has ignored calls to allow the the International Humanitarian Fact-Finding Commission to investigate its actions but you can sign a petition to President Obama here requesting that the U.S. allow such an investigation to go forward.
Until the U.S. allows all the facts behind its attack on the Doctors Without Borders hospital to come to light I fail to see any difference between an ideology which mows down people in concerts and restaurants and one which mows them down in hospitals.
When Iran supplies arms to their allies the media wastes no time in labeling them the “Leading state sponsor of terrorism”
When the US openly sells arms to anyone old enough to pull the trigger and many known terrorist groups who ARE RESPONSIBLE for the bloodshed in the Middle East yet not a whisper from the MSM.
The neocons," You’re with us or you’re with the terrorists" mantra and their do as we say not as we do policies have never been more obvious to those who are actually paying attention. The US has been hijacked by a right wing political entity who controls all the info and is supported by corporations who profit from the aftermath of “failed policies.”
No way, keep it open. This discussion could easily turn into a multi-page train wreck.
DC is the most dangerous rogue state on the planet today:
rogue state n 1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a state that conducts its policy in a dangerously unpredictable way, disregarding international law or diplomacy
To be fair, we have to count the UK, France (at least the out-of-control governments running the militaries of those countries) and a lot of other western powers as rogue states too, as they have all bombed their fair share of Arab countries over the past ten years.
If he keeps dropping reason and logic, don’t you think we should encourage him to pick them up and use them again instead, as he has so often in the past? ( Or is indeed doing so now in the Ben Carson thread, castigating the faults of Trumpism).
