Is traffic the worst part of Taiwan's lingering third worldism?

I think it might be more of a wording issue and combined with a number of changes within a few years of each other makes things a little more complicated as well. I think a year or two before they also had the new regulations for 3 wheel bikes and the testing and what kind of license you need. If I remember correctly it depends on how far apart the wheels are…so smaller ones just motorcycle license and large ones a car license.

I think there were also changes these past few years with regards to those with disabilities although I’m not familiar with those rules or changes.

It would be nice if the wording was made…simpler and classifications made clearer.

I think a Class/Level # would be easier instead of just using names.

Class 1 = up to 50cc.
Class 2 = 50-250cc
Class 3A/B = Unlimited or whatever else if they want to change the classifications (letter for clarification on the transmission)


For the tax thing…that’s not quite true. That’s what I thought at first too, but further up in the thread @cdn1234 helped clarify and there’s an overlap between orange plate and red plates on taxes. In the end I just guessed it was a classification for the purposes of opening up the freeways and expressways.

While technically the govt. is supposed to let red plates on the National Highways as the regulation change has already passed all 3 readings many years ago, as you say in practice you aren’t allowed and the highway police will go after you real quick.

But there’s an exception, the 3A highway has been open for over a decade for heavy motorcycles…so I’m assuming this includes orange plates too.

It’s even weird with provincial highways which should be fine for white plates too…but here’s one example that bans white plates down South on the #9…the speed limit is 70 like a lot of other provincial highways but apparently on a straight smooth road it’s way more dangerous than winding through the hills :person_shrugging:

Must be some magic that makes riding 70 in Shuili going in a straight line okay, but over here driving it’s dangerous. Must be the ghosts. Makes more sense if they want to ban green plates…but banning white plates that can easily go the speed limit and are allowed to go that speed in many other prov. highways…it’s just silly.

I think they could also just change the regulations to say that white plates (maybe require ~125cc) can go on the expressway without passengers. I’m basing that off of the #74 freeway in Taichung…which has a max speed limit of only 80…


Then there’s the Suhua section, opened up for Heavy Motorcycles a few years ago and now this year finally going to open up on a trial basis for white plates…I thought the whole point of the new tunnel was safety so being forced to take the old road around seemed counterintuitive…

From wiki: Suhua Highway Improvement Project

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This 沒想到 all the news use makes me wanting to hit something with a thick journalism ethics and standards code. Oh, 沒想到 what I was hitting was the reporter’s head.

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Orange ones too!?

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Likely. I think the hours thing is more for license exchange, motorcycle training in Taiwan seems to (rightly) just target the red plate as the difference in hours is not that great and I guess there’s slightly more profit in it. It seems strictly applied when exchanging foreign licenses, hence this Korean lady ended up in a weird category.

From everything I’ve ever read, you can have whatever motorcycle license back home, you get the basic bitch license here. Maybe all those foreigners were wrong, or maybe just another case of some being more equal than others.

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On the govt. website it says “Large Heavy Motorcycles” so it seems so…best to check the Chinese version to really make sure although usually the translation of the regulations seem to be fairly decent these days and seems to be more of a wording issue if any.


I think the kicker here is Taiwan wanting people to have a “training certificate”. I mean…that’s kind of the purpose of the license right? You have the training and met the qualifications.

I don’t think most people will have that kind of certificate so they can only get a standard motorcycle license. I think a lot of countries usually just do a training course over a few days or a week at most right? So that would be almost impossible to meet the 43+ hours Taiwan wants even if you did have a certificate.

Would be depressing for people who’ve made long road trips like driving around Europe or North America, etc. on bigger bikes no problem and move to Taiwan and get told they have to start from a standard motorcycle license…even though they have full license reciprocity with their home country’s license

Guy with gangster affiliation is mad that a guy puts up his hands in a sign of dissaproval after the drover almost hits he motorcyclist and his girlfriend. The driver gets out of his vehicle with a hatchet and attacks the motorcyclist in the head with it. Fortunately the helmet kept his head safe. This guy has been in trouble before for scams…


Another nurse killed on Taiwan’s roads. In Yunlin a driver spins out in the rain and crashes into a nurse on a scooter, killing her on the spot. Reporter says it’s not clear why the car spun out.

I don’t know but maybe it’s hydroplaning from going too fast…

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That´s kind of the thing with “accidents”:

An unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.

An event that happens by chance or that is without apparent or deliberate cause.

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Typical hour on the roads in Taiwan…

Driving up to intersection the light has been green for awhile. But I am very familiar with this intersection which is partially hidden by a small store and the habit of cars running the red light there. I am about at the intersection when a yellow Ford Mustang zooms through the intersection. If I arrived 3 seconds earlier I would have been smashed. I noted that other cars were still waiting at the red light so the Mustang must have zoomed around them using the motorcycle lane.

I am in right lane and moving up on a vehicle in left lane. Suddenly another car in left lane speeds up and tailgates the car in left lane. He then proceeds to try to push me out of my lane so he can get around the car in front of him. He gets within about 50cm from my left front and then starts a swerving back and forth in and out of my lane to try to scare me out of my lane. I guess the car in front of him saw what was happening and put on his turn signal to move into my lane. I slow down and he moves in front of me. The idiot driver then stomps the gas the speeds away…but only until the next red light which is 100 meters in front.

Pulling up to an intersection with green light the car in front of me wants to turn left. I can see he will have to wait for awhile so I scan the area to my right which has some motorcycles coming so I wait for them before trying to scoot my way around this car. But while I being to move around the car in front of me another car pulls out from behind me and tries to pull way over to the right and get around me and the other car at the same time. I honk to warn him I am not stopping and he ends up having to stop almost at the curb while I move ahead.

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I don’t mind so long as everyone has to do it. But unless Korea has some special deal with the government, how the hell did she learn on a 300???

She did it in Korea

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Oh ok

This will be interesting.

Taichung readies major police operation for Red Bull racing event

Security presence for Red Bull Showrun Taichung largest for single event in city’s history

More than 1,500 security personnel…

They are probably deathly afraid of some drunk morons or random elderly people driving in and screwing it all up or damaging shit…have to do that some other day or at least some other place. Will be on Shizheng Rd. in Xitun. Part of me feels like there will just be some insanely drunk idiot that plows into something in the road and screw it all up the night before the event…

Heard a lot of people online saying a lot of tickets were bought up by scalpers who immediately were online trying to sell them and turn a profit.

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Irony

Liked this article. Caught driving 50kph over limit in Japan so banned from entering country for five years. Seems not informed he was banned from entering Japan…this is not clear. Now the family wants to sue Japan.
Hongkonger denied entry to Japan for speeding | The Standard
The man was intercepted by immigration officers in Japan. The family contended that the authorities had no right to deny their entry and asserted the government had breached their human rights, as stated by the original poster. The family also insisted on reimbursement for the hotel and restaurant reservations, but later decided to return to Hong Kong and file a claim with their travel insurance.

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Sounds about par for the course with Chinese culture, baby adults refusing to take any responsibility for their actions. Always someone else’s fault.

Imagine what would happen with a Japan level of traffic enforcement in Taiwan. I think you would quickly see a lot better behavior on the roads.

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They were looking down at their phone.

Who would have thought that looking at your phone while attemtping to drive could be a problem.

Now imagine if that car was going fast.

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Seriously, I read about truckers posting stuff online about mandatory rest times, maximum driving hours per day, that are all federally mandated, as well as all kinds of rules they have to follow. They seem very professional. Truckers in Taiwan seems to be complete opposite of that.

Also cement truck has such a high cab that you can’t see anyone in front of you that’s 10 feet or closer. The driver should be well aware of this.

Do they have mandated rest hours in Taiwan for truckers?

Guy crashed into a parked truck.

Who needs rest when you can just chug some more 保力達 and pop another 檳榔?

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