Julian Assange (Wikileaks) arrested

Politics International Politics
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[quote=“Satellite TV Jr”][quote=“BigJohn”][quote=“Satellite TV Jr”]
No most of the time when journalists release gov data they check with the gov first. They might not charge you with anything if you release it, but they can make your life a living hell.[/quote]

Are you speaking from personal experience as a journalist? Because I am. Many great stories come from insiders, and the press are happy to jump on it. Now, if you are talking about CNN in post 911 America, then you have a point. But your point doesn’t contradict my point. There are many cases where leaks have occurred in the last few years to the press and there was little done about it.[/quote]

I’m not saying there aren’t insiders, it’s just most news stories aren’t exactly a threat to national security. The US gov usually leaks info to the press from “insiders,” they’re pretty good at intelligence operations.[/quote]

There are indeed deliberate gov’t leaks as well, of course.

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He may or may not be a nutter but

[quote]Wikileaks intern reveals crush on ‘sexy’ founder Julian Assange
Ms Fraser said that, behind the scenes, “Julian is very likeable, and disarming”.
“He will stand unnervingly close and watch you, waiting for you to say something,” she wrote.
"He’s also sexy, and very confident; he gave me pecks on the cheek throughout the weekend and a bear hug as I departed on the last day.
“He’s like the Pied Piper, attracting followers.”[/quote]
http://www.news.com.au/world/wikileaks-intern-reveals-crush-on-sexy-founder-julian-assange/story-e6frfkyi-1225966073348

Ooh, ooh, I’m getting all moist. :lovestruck:

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If anyone wants to donate to help Assange/Wikileaks lawyers to fight his case, the information is here:

https://donations.datacell.com/

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[quote=“Satellite TV Jr”][quote=“BigJohn”][quote=“Satellite TV Jr”]
No most of the time when journalists release gov data they check with the gov first. They might not charge you with anything if you release it, but they can make your life a living hell.[/quote]

Are you speaking from personal experience as a journalist? Because I am. Many great stories come from insiders, and the press are happy to jump on it. Now, if you are talking about CNN in post 911 America, then you have a point. But your point doesn’t contradict my point. There are many cases where leaks have occurred in the last few years to the press and there was little done about it.[/quote]

I’m not saying there aren’t insiders, it’s just most news stories aren’t exactly a threat to national security. The US gov usually leaks info to the press from “insiders,” they’re pretty good at intelligence operations.[/quote]

Ya think…911…gulf war II and the missing WMDs…I could go on!

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We haven’t learned a damn thing from this, that’s what’s sad. If not J. Assange, there’ll be someone else to assume the transparency mantle. If they can’t hang Assange on a questionable (I wasn’t there – I dunno what went down) ‘rape’ charge, someone will find him and shoot him dead. Next. Regardless of whether anybody thinks it’s right or wrong or provoked, you gotta pick a side. Assange is a hero-terrorist. Depends on how you look at it. If I’m the coach of Team Transparency, Assange is finished in this game. He shoots, he misses. Someone has to clean up the mess. Someone has to move up on the depth chart.

For God’s sake, you’re telling me nobody in Pakistan knows where Bin Laden is? That China has been waiting for a decent excuse to dump Kim Jong-il since he walked out of the six-party talks? It’s misinformation as game theory. Pick a side.

I come this close to daring you to tell me, tell us, that the net result of this whole ‘Wikileak’ phenomenon is going to do anything other than cut down the amount of freedom we currently enjoy. Some secrets are better kept.

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[quote=“headhonchoII”][quote=“Satellite TV Jr”][quote=“BigJohn”][quote=“Satellite TV Jr”]
No most of the time when journalists release gov data they check with the gov first. They might not charge you with anything if you release it, but they can make your life a living hell.[/quote]

Are you speaking from personal experience as a journalist? Because I am. Many great stories come from insiders, and the press are happy to jump on it. Now, if you are talking about CNN in post 911 America, then you have a point. But your point doesn’t contradict my point. There are many cases where leaks have occurred in the last few years to the press and there was little done about it.[/quote]

I’m not saying there aren’t insiders, it’s just most news stories aren’t exactly a threat to national security. The US gov usually leaks info to the press from “insiders,” they’re pretty good at intelligence operations.[/quote]

Ya think…911…gulf war II and the missing WMDs…I could go on![/quote]

Swartzkopf leaked false operation plans to trick Saddam. I was actually surprised the US let in embedded journalists into Iraq though, seemed pretty risky. Not every single piece of news story needs insiders :unamused: FCC can pull stories out of news agencies if they felt like it.

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It makes me laugh how the American establishment say that Mr Assange’s leaks are putting American soldier’s lives at risk when it is they who are sending these young men off to die in an un-winnable war in Afghanistan. Also, if diplomats don’t want anything embarrassing to get out, wouldn’t it be more . . . eh . . . diplomatic to be careful about what you say/write in the first place? My opinion is that organisations like Wikileaks are fundamental to a democracy and need to be supported, which is why I’m asking everyone here at forumosa to sign the petition below:

Dear friends,

The chilling intimidation campaign against WikiLeaks (when they have broken no laws) is an attack on freedom of the press and democracy. We urgently need a massive public outcry to stop the crackdown – let’s get to 1 million voices and take out full page ads in US newspapers this week!

The massive campaign of intimidation against WikiLeaks is sending a chill through free press advocates everywhere.

Legal experts say WikiLeaks has likely broken no laws. Yet top US politicians have called it a terrorist group and commentators have urged assassination of its staff. The organization has come under massive government and corporate attack, but WikiLeaks is only publishing information provided by a whistleblower. And it has partnered with the world’s leading newspapers (NYT, Guardian, Spiegel etc) to carefully vet the information it publishes.

The massive extra-judicial intimidation of WikiLeaks is an attack on democracy. We urgently need a public outcry for freedom of the press and expression. Sign the petition to stop the crackdown and forward this email to everyone – let’s get to 1 million voices and take out full page ads in US newspapers this week!

avaaz.org/en/wikileaks_petition/?vl

WikiLeaks isn’t acting alone – it’s partnered with the top newspapers in the world (New York Times, The Guardian, Der Spiegel, etc) to carefully review 250,000 US diplomatic cables and remove any information that it is irresponsible to publish. Only 800 cables have been published so far. Past WikiLeaks publications have exposed government-backed torture, the murder of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, and corporate corruption.

The US government is currently pursuing all legal avenues to stop WikiLeaks from publishing more cables, but the laws of democracies protect freedom of the press. The US and other governments may not like the laws that protect our freedom of expression, but that’s exactly why it’s so important that we have them, and why only a democratic process can change them.

Reasonable people can disagree on whether WikiLeaks and the leading newspapers it’s partnered with are releasing more information than the public should see. Whether the releases undermine diplomatic confidentiality and whether that’s a good thing. Whether WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has the personal character of a hero or a villain. But none of this justifies a vicious campaign of intimidation to silence a legal media outlet by governments and corporations. Click below to join the call to stop the crackdown:

avaaz.org/en/wikileaks_petition/?vl

Ever wonder why the media so rarely gives the full story of what happens behind the scenes? This is why - because when they do, governments can be vicious in their response. And when that happens, it’s up to the public to stand up for our democratic rights to a free press and freedom of expression. Never has there been a more vital time for us to do so.

With hope,
Ricken, Emma, Alex, Alice, Maria Paz and the rest of the Avaaz team.

SOURCES:

Law experts say WikiLeaks in the clear (ABC)
abc.net.au/worldtoday/conten … 086781.htm

WikiLeaks are a bunch of terrorists, says leading U.S. congressman (Mail Online)
dailymail.co.uk/news/article … -King.html

Cyber guerrillas can help US (Financial Times)
ft.com/cms/s/0/d3dd7c40-ff15 … z17QvQ4Ht5

Amazon drops WikiLeaks under political pressure (Yahoo)
news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101201/tc … ressamazon

“WikiLeaks avenged by hacktivists” (PC World):
pcworld.com/businesscenter/a … vists.html

US Gov shows true control over Internet with WikiLeaks containment (Tippett.org)
tippett.org/2010/12/us-gov-s … ntainment/

US embassy cables culprit should be executed, says Mike Huckabee (The Guardian)
guardian.co.uk/world/2010/de … e-huckabee

WikiLeaks ditched by MasterCard, Visa. Who’s next? (The Christian Science Monitor)
csmonitor.com/Innovation/Hor … Who-s-next

Assange’s Interpol Warrant Is for Having Sex Without a Condom (The Slatest)
slatest.slate.com/id/2276690/

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[quote=“blockhead”]It makes me laugh how the American establishment say that Mr Assange’s leaks are putting American soldier’s lives at risk when it is they who are sending these young men off to die in an un-winnable war in Afghanistan. Also, if diplomats don’t want anything embarrassing to get out, wouldn’t it be more . . . eh . . . diplomatic to be careful about what you say/write in the first place. My opinion is that organisations like Wikipedia are fundamental to a democracy and need to be supported, which is why I’m asking everyone here at forumosa to sign the petition below:

Dear friends,

The chilling intimidation campaign against WikiLeaks (when they have broken no laws) is an attack on freedom of the press and democracy. We urgently need a massive public outcry to stop the crackdown – let’s get to 1 million voices and take out full page ads in US newspapers this week!

The massive campaign of intimidation against WikiLeaks is sending a chill through free press advocates everywhere.

Legal experts say WikiLeaks has likely broken no laws. Yet top US politicians have called it a terrorist group and commentators have urged assassination of its staff. The organization has come under massive government and corporate attack, but WikiLeaks is only publishing information provided by a whistleblower. And it has partnered with the world’s leading newspapers (NYT, Guardian, Spiegel etc) to carefully vet the information it publishes.

The massive extra-judicial intimidation of WikiLeaks is an attack on democracy. We urgently need a public outcry for freedom of the press and expression. Sign the petition to stop the crackdown and forward this email to everyone – let’s get to 1 million voices and take out full page ads in US newspapers this week!

avaaz.org/en/wikileaks_petition/?vl

WikiLeaks isn’t acting alone – it’s partnered with the top newspapers in the world (New York Times, The Guardian, Der Spiegel, etc) to carefully review 250,000 US diplomatic cables and remove any information that it is irresponsible to publish. Only 800 cables have been published so far. Past WikiLeaks publications have exposed government-backed torture, the murder of innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, and corporate corruption.

The US government is currently pursuing all legal avenues to stop WikiLeaks from publishing more cables, but the laws of democracies protect freedom of the press. The US and other governments may not like the laws that protect our freedom of expression, but that’s exactly why it’s so important that we have them, and why only a democratic process can change them.

Reasonable people can disagree on whether WikiLeaks and the leading newspapers it’s partnered with are releasing more information than the public should see. Whether the releases undermine diplomatic confidentiality and whether that’s a good thing. Whether WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has the personal character of a hero or a villain. But none of this justifies a vicious campaign of intimidation to silence a legal media outlet by governments and corporations. Click below to join the call to stop the crackdown:

avaaz.org/en/wikileaks_petition/?vl

Ever wonder why the media so rarely gives the full story of what happens behind the scenes? This is why - because when they do, governments can be vicious in their response. And when that happens, it’s up to the public to stand up for our democratic rights to a free press and freedom of expression. Never has there been a more vital time for us to do so.

With hope,
Ricken, Emma, Alex, Alice, Maria Paz and the rest of the Avaaz team.

SOURCES:

Law experts say WikiLeaks in the clear (ABC)
abc.net.au/worldtoday/conten … 086781.htm

WikiLeaks are a bunch of terrorists, says leading U.S. congressman (Mail Online)
dailymail.co.uk/news/article … -King.html

Cyber guerrillas can help US (Financial Times)
ft.com/cms/s/0/d3dd7c40-ff15 … z17QvQ4Ht5

Amazon drops WikiLeaks under political pressure (Yahoo)
news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101201/tc … ressamazon

“WikiLeaks avenged by hacktivists” (PC World):
pcworld.com/businesscenter/a … vists.html

US Gov shows true control over Internet with WikiLeaks containment (Tippett.org)
tippett.org/2010/12/us-gov-s … ntainment/

US embassy cables culprit should be executed, says Mike Huckabee (The Guardian)
guardian.co.uk/world/2010/de … e-huckabee

WikiLeaks ditched by MasterCard, Visa. Who’s next? (The Christian Science Monitor)
csmonitor.com/Innovation/Hor … Who-s-next

Assange’s Interpol Warrant Is for Having Sex Without a Condom (The Slatest)
slatest.slate.com/id/2276690/[/quote]
Bunch of nosey parkers

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[quote=“Satellite TV Jr”][quote=“Tempo Gain”]1. the last 100 years of history

  1. All I know is he is now wanted on criminal charges unrelated to the leaks.

  2. the Swedes? No I don’t. What have they been trying to destabilize Norway again?[/quote]

  3. It’s diplomacy. Sweden doesn’t really care about assange and probably wants him gone as well. He’s been the enemy of virtually every state since the Iraq war logs.

  4. Pretty much he just showed the world “this is what happens when you piss off governments.”

  5. Never. Trust. The. Swedes.
    …[/quote]

He is wanted by the Swedish court for a crime he committed in Sweden, since he is no longer in Sweden they put a wire out to Interpol, just like they do with all other criminals that are no longer considered to be in Sweden. Since he is famous, hence easy to find, it would be strange if the UK did not detain him, that’s it, no conspiracy, as for the wikileaks about Sweden I have still not read anything that does not put Sweden in good lights in the eyes of the average Sweden (in the case of telling the US to piss of with their prisoner transports thru Sweden) and the “bad” things is known by anybody that has finished 3:de grade in Sweden, nobody actually believes Sweden is neutral… So clearly it is not about pissing of governments, it is about not sleeping with just any tramp when you are famous and if you do wear 2 condoms… My :2cents:

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Julian Assange is my new hero. I just realized he’s the biggest troll in real life.

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Yes, he’s wanted for that most heinous of crimes “sex by surprise”. Lock him up quickly!

slatest.slate.com/id/2276690/

The American authorites are really clutching at straws with this one: Guilty for having sex without a condom. Looks like Interpol are gonna be awfully busy sending out millions of arrest warrants over the next few weeks.

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OK, UK extradites him to Sweden, he confesses to his crime, and pays the US$715, which is the punishment. Then they tell him to leave I guess, and put him on a plane to… New York?

Any semi-decent prosecutor would have dropped that one a long time ago, they are merely making themselves look like idiots.

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In answer of the original posters question, yes he is a nutter. Being from the same place he used to live, I know several people who knew him directly.

But even still, doesnt matter if what he did is right or wrong, at the end of the day. You can’t criticise/penalise online publications of releasing this material, but then not the physical/print media.

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Yes, he’s wanted for that most heinous of crimes “sex by surprise”. Lock him up quickly!

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Whatever you think of the charges against him, your depiction above is inaccurate. That’s something his lawyer dreamed up apparently.

nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/12/cr … nted-24h-5

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Well, that’s good enough for me. :thumbsup:

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Well, that’s good enough for me. :thumbsup:[/quote]

That’s what you get from living in a state where beer is spelt XXXX

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Well, that’s good enough for me. :thumbsup:[/quote]

That’s what you get from living in a state where beer is spelt XXXX[/quote]

Queensland is so redneck that its not even funny.

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All that sunburn.

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Well, that’s good enough for me. :thumbsup:[/quote]

That’s what you get from living in a state where beer is spelt XXXX[/quote]

Er, I’m not Australian.

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Actually he lived in Melbourne for a while. One of the Wikileaks PO boxes is located at The University of Melbourne post office