Living in Tianmu

Original Title: Tianmu: Why?

What’s the attraction of Tianmu? Other than the fact that TAS is there, why do so many foreigners like living there? Actually, judging by the house prices in Tianmu, it’s not foreigners that want to live there! There’s no MRT, it’s old, boring-ish, the elementary schools are so-so, the restaurants are aging, etc. I’ve heard people say the weather is better and there’s less pollution, but come on! How much better can it be? It’s only a few miles away from central Taipei.

I am not sure other than the fact that prices are high there for everything and the foreigners that lives there are very rich.

It’s windy.

It has a kind of Old World feel, I guess.

Historically, when US Armed Forces had a presence here, that area became a kind of foreigners’ ghetto. It had a lasting influence on the area.

Well, seems like more and more furriners are moving out to Xindian, up in the mountains. I’ve bumped into half a dozen or so up here which was unexpected. I have several friends who’s also moved up out of the pit and up into the fresh air in the mountains.

In all fairness, I have yet to exactly locate Tienmu :smiley:

Hardly any foreigners live in Tienmu anymore, it’s almost all Taiwanese these days. Swedish guy is right, there are probably more foreigners in XinDian!

I live in Shipai, there’s actually an interesting if not earth-shattering difference. Often if it’s drizzling in Taipei in the evening, I can tell it won’t be up here, I won’t even worry about an umbrella, it’s kind of funny, I can feel it somehow. I guess we must get some shelter from the hills somehow.The air is definitely a notch or two fresher too.

Expats with families that required to move to Taiwan for business must live in a place where a lot of shops have creature comforts from home and many people speak English and also for the foreign schools like Taipei American School and the Taipei European School as well as the Japanese School. There is also the American Club nearby as well.

Anyway, I think it is mostly because of the foreign schools. Some of the foreigners you see there also live in Houses with pools. Western style houses and they mostly only have those in TianMu and Yang Ming Shan.

As there are many people with $$$, there are also very well kept parks and sidewalks, lots of stores and amenities. It looks and feels very nice and clean.

Xindian is nice but gosh, I’d give anything if they build some sidewalks…

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Hey, there are at least two bits of sidewalk in Xindian :smiley:

Not much of it up here in the mountains though…
I wouldn’t want to live in Xindian proper, it’s not that nice tbh…
I lived closer before, but up here it’s actually quite nice, but we only have a tiny excuse for a garden and no pool…
There are some bigger houses that have larger gardens though, but haven’t seen anyone with their own pool up here.

There’s another area past Bitan that looks like it has some really fancy houses, but they cost a fair bit I’d guess and if you don’t have a car…

The new river parks in Xindian are also very nice and clean (for now) and you even get Hello Kitty “litter” bags there :smiley:

We’re house-hunting there right now and saw a community up in the hills that looks like a Mediterranean village. Very bloody nice. A half-hour drive just to get to Xiandian MRT, though.

Yeah, a coworker lives up there. They have a shuttle bus and all, really pretty.

25 million please.

They have a lot of cheaper places, too. The one we looked at was 8 million for 35-odd pings and a yard covered with big juicy figs. The commute put me off, though.

It’s only about 15 min with regular bus to Xindian MRT station from where I am, although no figs, but 60+ ping for similar money…

But in saying that, I don’t know if I’d want Sandman living up here, he’d most likely ruin the place… :smiley:

Not really true…The simple fact is that in days old much of Taipei was a mosquito infested swamp, and it was the Japanese, not the Americans, that established Tienmou as a place to escape the dirt, sweltering heat and disease that was once downtown Taipei.

It became a foreigners ghetto simply because the living standard was so low anywhere else. When I arrived mid-80’s there really weren’t that many foreigners really even in Taipei city. Getting western groceries meant a trip to Tienmou, and I, like many, found Taipei city back then simply unbearable, and headed for the the cooler temperatures of Tienmou, Peitou, Kuandu or Tamshui. If you were desperate back then you could live in Neihu, but it was considered back then to be the most blue collar of the northern Taipei suburbs.

Shilin was for English teachers who couldn’t afford digs in Tienmou proper, Taipei city was students, and you never, ever lived in Taipei county as simply one breath of air from that part of the Island could kill you on the spot. If you were poor and wanted to be out of the city, Shindian, Mucha or, as an absolute last resort, Pitan. Suburban neighborhood experiments ten years earlier meant that you could rent fantastical mansions in the boonies (outside of Tienmou) for next to nothing as the infrastructure to support them really didn’t exist.

The air in all the major cities was choked up by tens of thousands of 2 stroke, fume belching Vespas. Fewer than one in a hundred families had cars.

This thread was obviously started by somebody who hasn’t been here long…For me, and possibly all the other old timers, everytime I drive up Sinyi Road and see the 101 in the distance makes me in complete awe of the transformation Taipei city has make in cleanliness, infrastructure, and standard of living in less than one generation.

“This is the ugliest city skyline I’ve ever seen” That quote would be from me, whispering under my breath at the Grand hotel looking out over Taipei City, circa X-mas day, 1986.

I have 3 colleagues living there. Do they like it? No. Did they knew of better ? No. Would they still choose it. Yes.

Tianmu would be nothing without the Japanese school and TAS.

Last time I went there was +2.5 Y ago. Nothing lost , nothing to gain.

[quote=“TheLostSwede”]It’s only about 15 min with regular bus to Xindian MRT station from where I am, although no figs, but 60+ ping for similar money…

But in saying that, I don’t know if I’d want Sandman living up here, he’d most likely ruin the place… :smiley:[/quote]

60 ping for 8 million?! I’m on it…

A “dear” Taiwanese friend used to say that foreigners with money live in Tianmu, foreigners without money live in Shida. She agrees with MJB. :laughing:

I dunno, I still think Tianmu has this cuter suburban space, well organized, neat. Taipei County is so lacking in pubic infraestructure -parks, proper bus stops. Maybe it will change later, and yes, the cost will be high. Lots of improvements have been made but there is still a long way ahead. In teh meantime, Tianmu still heads the pack, as well as Neihu.

Good detective work, I have only been in Taipei for about 5 years (but lived in Chiayi for a few years in the 90’s).

I think I get it now - TAS, habit, history, some people not knowing any better, nome nice luxury houses, etc. Guess it makes sense if you look at it in context…

Tianmu is not so bad. Maybe overpriced real estate, but it is less crowded than most areas in Taipei. They have sidewalks. I lived there for years and then moved to Yonghe, which is like opposite ends of the spectrum.