WTF is with locking these threads? Temp it or, if you really must insist on shutting people up, flame it. Locking it looks bloody patronizing, especially if you’re not admin. Frog and Buttercup are big grownup people. Neither of them need some kind of daddy moderator to wipe their noses, and that was a fun exchange.
Yes, I agree. It was off topic, to be sure, and if I made frog cry, I am truly, genuinely, deeply sorry. I can’t edit it now to alleviate his suffering.
Locking is unnecessary. If someone says something stupid, then everyone would know it was stupid because it was stupid.
And the finger-wagging title of the temped thread is fairly patronising, as well. I don’t mind, though, I’m fairly patronising, too.
I also never got to ask young froggy who Ron Jeremy is.
I would’ve said, “Stay on topic, ya big sillybillies” but that’s me.
I had thought that calling DBF “young frog” was namecalling, but it’s actually his name, well, sorta…I thought you were going out? 
I agree. I had one locked seconds after I posted it. I was just joshing around with tmwc and zap, slapped in chains for all to see. How embarrassing.
Can we not call each other dirty old men? Has the tide swung so far to the churchlady side of things that jostling each other good naturedly is to be stock-worthy?
Salemosa?
I kid. it ain’t no big thang. Chill churchladies…chill…
Nope, he is apparently a sight-challenged ching wa. He called me ‘girl’, first :raspberry:
I was supposed to be going hiking. My so-called hiking buddy isn’t picking up though. Just about to spring into action. Might just go and get pissed instead because I have NOOOO TEACHING TOMORROW! My boss doesn’t even LET me go to church.
[quote=“Toe Save”]I agree. I had one locked seconds after I posted it. I was just joshing around with tmwc and zap, slapped in chains for all to see. How embarrassing.[/quote]That was me. I don’t see being floundered as such as embarrassing, but the locking was a judgment call. I appreciate the feedback and I’ll consider more carefully whether to lock temped threads in future.
There are certainly some circumstances in which it makes sense to lock a temped thread. These are when, although the temped posts are not flameworthy, replies are not appropriate. A recent example is a string of accidental multiple posts which I locked to make sure that relevant discussion of the posts continued as replies to the original thread. Another example is when people post ads here. We usually temp them, with a reply saying that the appropriate place for ads is the Forumosafieds.
[quote=“Toe Save”]Can we not call each other dirty old men? Has the tide swung so far to the churchlady side of things that jostling each other good naturedly is to be stock-worthy?[/quote]As for this, I feel my PM reply to you was adequate. To save my time, I’ll repost it here:
[quote=“joesax, in a PM to Toe Save”]Yes, I moved your post. You may not know that I prefer to keep some threads strictly informative. If you wish to repost the name change info without the other stuff you’re welcome.
Sorry, rather busy at the moment so don’t have time to discuss this further. If you have serious issues with my moderating you are of course welcome to discuss it with Maoman. [/quote]
One example of the kind of thread which I prefer to keep strictly informative is the “List of Adult Schools” one. I hope you can understand that I would like people who open that thread to see a useful, concise list of adult schools. There’s certainly a place for lighthearted banter on the TEIT forum, but I’d prefer it kept to the more discussion-oriented threads.
So, to sum up: I don’t think that people should feel any shame at having posts temped. I’ve been temped before, will likely be again, and I deliberately start threads in the temporary forum on occasion. However, I will try to be more sensitive about the locking thing, locking only those threads where it’s really necessary.
As for Sandman’s post, I have no comment. Perhaps I would not have made the same decision that the other mod did, or perhaps I would. I am not going to start discussing other moderators’ decisions.
Are you supposed to pretend to all agree with eachother? I can see why is that would be desirable for individuals, but how could that be desirable for the forum as a whole? It should be organic and fluid, not a milk monitors’ collective.
Cool Joe. Glad to see that you will think twice next time. And as I said to you in my return PM, it wasn’t a big deal and I do respect your wishes. Temping it would have been fine and would not have gotten me spirited enough to write you a PM in the first place. It was the lock that I took contention with. Again, let me re-iterate for the subtlety-disinclined, it’s no big deal. Yet, at the same time, the lock does carry a stigma about it that a poster has contravened the rules. I wanted it to be clear that I wasn’t flaming tmwc. The lock could make some (those who believe Satan is responsible for everything) think I was being a prick (again).
Sandman’s thread and my subsequent post is not meant as a challenge to your (JoeSax) or any other mod’s authority. Just an constructive observation (hopefully).
we all want a happy place right?
Are you supposed to pretend to all agree with eachother? I can see why is that would be desirable for individuals, but how could that be desirable for the forum as a whole? It should be organic and fluid, not a milk monitors’ collective.[/quote]
HA!..I mean, er, no, we yell at each other in the back.
BTW I think it is highly insensitive to use the term “milk monitor” when describing the mods here. It’s insulting and flies in the face of strongly held beliefs: some of us are lactose intolerant and/or vegans!
I propose a ban on ALL Milk-based insults!
Got angst?
Are you supposed to pretend to all agree with eachother? I can see why is that would be desirable for individuals, but how could that be desirable for the forum as a whole? It should be organic and fluid, not a milk monitors’ collective.[/quote]I’ll clarify what I meant. I try to avoid commenting on others’ decisions unless I’m asked for my opinion. This goes for anyone, not just moderators.
On the rare occasion when I feel both that someone could have made a better decision AND that my comments may be helpful, I’ll contact that person in private.
I realise that this may seem to contradict my status as a moderator. I’m constantly having to make judgment calls, and my actions in moving/removing posts/bits of posts may be taken as some kind of moral judgement on posters themselves. But I’ve tried on a number of occasions to make it clear that this is not how I view it. If something needs moved, I move it, but try to think no more about it.
As for my general thoughts on temping and locking, you can find those in my post above.
That thread made me cry. You don’t want to make me cry, do you ?
Shut yer (custard) piehole, you Edam-eating, Stilton-stuffing, Cheddar chomping Jersey botherer!
Yes.
Yes.[/quote]You’re mean 
Shut yer (custard) piehole, you Edam-eating, Stilton-stuffing, Cheddar chomping Jersey botherer![/quote]
I didn’t say ME! :raspberry:
Stiltonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn :homer:
Yes.[/quote]You’re mean [/quote]
Aw, I’m sorry. Big hug.
Are you supposed to pretend to all agree with eachother? I can see why is that would be desirable for individuals, but how could that be desirable for the forum as a whole? It should be organic and fluid, not a milk monitors’ collective.[/quote]Oh no… Not again… I disagree with you, Buttercup. 
Forumosa is a busy forum, and a united front is important when it comes to moderator’s decisions. This means that if a mod agrees, he can post in public to support another mod’s decision that is being criticized. If a mod disagrees, however, he can take it to PM or start discussion in the private mod squad forum. Otherwise, moderator’s dissenting opinions about other mods decisions only help escalating criticism in public which is not good for Forumosa. It can be healthy, yes, but it’s a bad image and it leads too many people to think that Forumosa moderators suck at what they do.
This said, discussing another mod’s decisions even in the mod forum is inappropriate, IMO, and I have stated my opinion about that in the private forum when I was a mod. FWIW, a mod told me to FO and even called me a prick, so no, mods do not always agree. There are more than 20 mods here, it’s only natural that when something controversial comes up, not all mods will agree, in fact mods may be quite divided on any given controversial subject. It’s called controversy for a reason after all.
To sum it up, I think that unless a mod was to find threads in Feedback with his/her name in it too often, maybe some kind of discussion should take place to see that the said mod improves his methods/judgment. This is not the case for any mods at the moment, and while mods may disagree with another mod’s decisions, find him/her patronizing, rude, or plain wrong, I think it’s best to let it be because mods are different people, with different backgrounds and different opinions, but with same good intentions. That is the bottom line. If those affected by the decisions made by a moderator(regular posters like me), I suppose it’s fine and even encouraged to post polite feedback in the appropriate forum; the feedback forum.
I’m pretty sure that’s what Joe had in mind when he said that he’s not about to discuss another mod’s decisions, and perhaps this thread should have been started in the mod forum since the OP is a mod. Mind me, I don’t think the OP is strictly intended to complain about Joe’s decision because there has been a few locked thread in temp lately. No disrespect intended, sandman, and I agree that flaming threads would probably be better than locking them if a mod really thinks it’s best for the discussions to end.
My name is still green, BTW. Let it go guys…
What I say in the following post is intended as healthy criticism. Just from a useless noob who knows no better, but with the ability to read and criticize. No offense intended, really. Think of this as the “average reader” weighing in, if you like.
Far be it from me to disagree with what anyone sez on ye olde internet, but doesn’t this sound like something the CCP would say about their non-democratically-elected leadership? Or, if you hate that example, the bush administration? About a united front? and etc?
Some of the mods are proud of being rude, and arrogant. Unfortunately, I’ma talkin’ bout sandman. That said, I’m sure you have the best of intentions, sir.
I guess the only (and I mean only) problem that I see is that the mods tend to be whimsical in their posts at times, and serious at others. And when regular joes start getting censored/temped/threadlocked, they look back at the more whimsical posts of mods, and think, ‘if he/she can do it, why can’t i?’
[quote=“bobepine”]I’m pretty sure that’s what Joe had in mind when he said that he’s not about to discuss another mod’s decisions, and perhaps this thread should have been started in the mod forum since the OP is a mod. Mind me, I don’t think the OP is strictly intended to complain about Joe’s decision because there has been a few locked thread in temp lately. No disrespect intended, sandman, and I agree that flaming threads would probably be better than locking them if a mod really thinks it’s best for the discussions to end.[/quote]Well, I don’t think Sandman was talking about the recent post I locked and temped at all. I was just responding to Toe Save.
After making that comment at the end of my post I realised that it was quite hypocritical of me to talk about not commenting on other mods’ decisions when in fact my own words could be taken as a criticism of Sandman’s starting this thread. I was just about to delete the comment when Buttercup replied to it. Once she had done so, however, I felt I should clarify what I meant, so I posted this:
forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopi … 619#685619
I’m not sure whether that did clarify things or confuse them. Anyway, it was just an offhand comment I made, and hopefully nobody will take it – or anything I write – too seriously.
[quote=“joesax”][quote=“bobepine”]I’m pretty sure that’s what Joe had in mind when he said that he’s not about to discuss another mod’s decisions, and perhaps this thread should have been started in the mod forum since the OP is a mod. Mind me, I don’t think the OP is strictly intended to complain about Joe’s decision because there has been a few locked thread in temp lately. No disrespect intended, sandman, and I agree that flaming threads would probably be better than locking them if a mod really thinks it’s best for the discussions to end.[/quote]Well, I don’t think Sandman was talking about the recent post I locked and temped at all. I was just responding to Toe Save.
After making that comment at the end of my post I realised that it was quite hypocritical of me to talk about not commenting on other mods’ decisions when in fact my own words could be taken as a criticism of Sandman’s starting this thread. I was just about to delete the comment when Buttercup replied to it. Once she had done so, however, I felt I should clarify what I meant, so I posted this:
forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopi … 619#685619
I’m not sure whether that did clarify things or confuse them. Anyway, it was just an offhand comment I made, and hopefully nobody will take it – or anything I write – too seriously.[/quote]
I misread some of this thread, obviously. Thanks for clarifying. Doesn’t change my opinion, though, except the part you quoted above. Mind me, I still think that’s why you will not discuss mod’s decisions in public, but correct me if I’m wrong.