Long conversations : from "Wuhan"

OK, I’ve had a think, and herewith my considered response. I’m putting this in “feedback” because I believe others need to see this.

AFAIK “swamping the thread” is not an indictable offence. I’m aware that my posts are often … verbose. There are two reasons for that: 1) I’m a fast typer and 2) I’m attempting to forestall misunderstandings and objections. (2) rarely works, but, well … anyway.

I do generally cede the floor when others drop in. I’m fully aware that it isn’t “my” thread. But, again, I don’t believe it’s against the rules to reply in full to someone who has shown a willingness to debate an issue. If @hansioux had walked away, obviously it would be impolite to harass him further. But he did not.

My “behaviour” was that I was engaging in a one-to-one conversation with another individual, which you rudely interrupted with your opinion of my debating style. I frankly don’t care what you think of the way I present myself, and I’ve spent the last three years tiptoeing around the sensibilities of a moderation team which has been at least 95% on board with one of the most despicable crimes committed upon humanity. I (and many others) have wasted many hours trying to talk you around with evidence and argument, all with a single exception, the whole lot of you have done nothing but insult us, mock us, and delete/disrupt/move our arguments. No, let’s be clear about this: in many cases you’ve lied on behalf of “authorities”, put yourself forward as fact-checkers and experts despite knowing nothing about the subject at hand, and in short have behaved disgracefully. I (and others) warned you in 2020, from a position of at least modest expertise, that the authorities were deploying a military-grade brainwashing campaign against you. Instead of putting up your guard, you decided to go along with it.

In the aftermath of that, I’ve attempted to debate with you - and ordinary members here - on issues which should need no debate. That anybody born in the West should think it somehow normal to (for example) destroy someone’s livelihood and confiscate their property, and argue in favour of that, appalls me to the bone. Nevertheless, I’ve followed your rules as best I can, in an attempt to bring you back to a position I know you would have held in 2019: such things are Wrong.

Having said all that, a lot of people have messaged me privately and said “why do you even bother?”. And they’re right. There comes a point where one must concede defeat. And in general, I try to cut toxic people out of my life; the main reason I stuck around is that forumosa is a community, and there are some solid people on here.

I will miss those people, but I’ve had enough. If you’re fully committed to the repulsive narrative that’s been inserted into your heads, well, you’re right, it’s not up to me to save your souls. Believe what you wish. I despair for the future of the West, but as you’ve reminded me many times, forumosa is yours - the moderators - to do with as you wish. I’m out.

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Why do you keep blaming other people for being pissed off at your one track massive diatribes ?

You think every thread related to covid on this forum, and even non covid ones, are here for you to get all this stuff off your chest ?

You really think we need to read this stuff again…and again…again. Your behaviour makes this forum less interesting , angrier, and turns off other people from participating.

It’s not here just to dump piles of your shit on people. Then you go out to look for a covid ‘enemy’ to offload all this stuff on. If you have position A your latest covid ‘enemy’ seems to automatically to have position B so you can then attack them for all the injustices and to wake them up from their sheepdom. Nuance or what they actually think in the round doesn’t matter. They are a foil for you to get things off your chest.
I’ve seen other people close to me do this by the way, you aren’t the only one who acts out their negative emotions on others by picking somebody to represent all the faceless injustices.

Seriously this is stuff that therapists are there for. Offload it on them they get paid for it!

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Absolutely!

Yes, @finley that’s what therapists a for.

I’m not here to disparage either @finley or forumosa, but it bears noting that the red pill bites hard. Immediately it diminishes one’s hope, especially hope in humanity. It is extremely frustrating and requires near constant self-care. I too am (still) in recovery.

Hang in there @finley. There are many here who sympathize with you; you are not alone. Be strong.

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You forgot “platform your views to practically the maximum extent possible”. Is there anyone here who hasn’t been aware of all your views throughout this entire period? I know I have! In spades.

Not everyone has to agree with you–no, to be accurate, the demand actually seems to be overtly support you to the complete extent you desire. That’s what you don’t understand.

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Thats what moderators do when a poster is being overly agressive, rude and sucking all the air out of the room. We ask for them to tone it down a bit.

I in no way addressed your covid beliefs unlike you in the above post make false claim after false claim of what you wrongly state are my beliefs. Its this kind of rudeness I am asking you to tone back in discussion.

Well thats a problem when the moderators are asking for you to post politely.

Well, thats one solution I guess.

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Similar discussion also took place here last year:

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Honestly, I haven’t been following the Wuhan lab leak theory thread the last several days so can’t really comment on that specifically. I saw it had become active again but didn’t feel inclined to read it because I was busy with other stuff. The question of whether a lab leak happened has also seemed obvious/uncontroversial to me for at least 4–4.5 years now.

I generally like @finley’s posts and appreciate the contributions he provides to the forum. I get that some people don’t like his writing style and/or just don’t want to read/talk about COVID anymore, but the forum allows for people to mute posters/threads/topics they’re not interested in and nobody is required to engage in threads or with people they don’t want to, right?

Considering it’s a discussion forum I don’t see why writing long posts should be discouraged. Nobody is obligated to read them, and Twitter and mouse scroll wheels exist for people who don’t like reading more than 50 words at once. As @finley noted, I agree that the last several years have seen quite a few people on here frequently criticizing his posts over quite trivial things without really addressing their substance (“Haha! You said ‘all’ but it’s really 98%! Your entire post must be wrong!”).

IMO, this seems quite specific to @finley; I think it’s fairly common for people, on here and in general, to express their opinions as factual statements (e.g., “China is bad”, “Trump is an idiot”) without others regularly pulling them up on it and provoking an entire tedious side discussion about what the person meant when they said x.

So, 4.5 years later, I can see @finley’s rationale for long posts breaking things down in an effort to avoid misunderstandings and objections, particularly when discussing complicated topics that aren’t so easy to discuss briefly. If some people can’t be bothered reading them, I guess there’s little that can be done about that, but I have far more respect for someone willing to explain their argument than those who regularly make a point of saying they’ve muted the thread/poster or didn’t bother reading someone’s post because it was too long.

Anyway, I’m going to go make breakfast but I prefer having @finley here and value his contributions, even if he’s long winded and annoying to some people. :face_with_peeking_eye:

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Except that’s not what happens , at least not very often

Finley will throw in blanket statements 'we all know ', 'You are a something something ’ , then when you pull him up on it he just skips on to some other statement in many cases.

Also he needs to understand and to accept that other people may not share his views , and in fact that he could be wrong on a bunch of things, especially as he always seems to KNOW what other people believe and know in advance .

Also I pulled up Finley a few times on some stats and asked for references and I rarely get references.

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I can remember instances where it wasn’t so much that as “You said ‘all’ but it’s really 98%.” “No it’s all even though it’s 98%” :woozy_face:

Me too, FWIW

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Yet here we are. You don’t have to concede defeat, as much as you might wanna just move on.

Masks totally work. Just testing.