Lost - The Spoiler Thread (post-season 2)

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So you wanna discuss Lost after seeing the season finale? Well, this is the place to do it. If you haven’t seen all of the second season of Lost and don’t want any surprises ruined for you, you will not want to read on. Go ahead, I’ll wait till you leave.

No peeking…

I’m not kidding.

Okay. Now, I have a lot of theories floating round my pointy little head about this series after this season.

My topic one is Helen. Did Locke’s dad do one last con with his son? Was Helen the main actress in the center of a long con? I truly believe she was working for Locke Sr.

I believe that Helen was used to get Locke to forgive his father so his father could use him to launder money out of the country for him. She didn’t really love him and was only playing into his father’s plot.

  1. The circumstances under which they meet. Locke is still angry with his father. He meets Helen at an anger therapy session and begin dating after he explodes over his dad stealing his kidney.

  2. How quickly she falls for him. Locke is obviously a lonely guy, but they move really quickly. I think Helen picked that up and played off his desperation.

  3. The morning she follows him to his dad’s house. He leaves quietly while she’s still in bed. He takes off before she gets up. Yet she manages to get dressed, get into her car, and “follow” him despite him having a headstart of several minutes. Unless, of course, she already knew where he lived because they were working together.

  4. Her continual ultimatums - she wants Locke to forgive his dad. She uses the power of their relationship to push him into forgiving his father. She knows Locke won’t give up probably the only woman who has ever made him feel loved very easily. Her focus is not on their relationship, but on getting him to let go of his anger for his father.

  5. The Obituary. Helen has the paper. Locke hasn’t read it yet. Helen reads Locke’s dad has died. Only Helen looks at the obit. Seems a bit fishy that she would happen to check it that day and know what his real name is.

  6. The funeral. I believe the funeral was known to be fake by the priest (hired), Helen, and the two guys. He might not have been popular, but he had his hunting buddies who would have come as well as the person who would have arranged the obit to be put in the paper. But they don’t come because they are not a part of the plan.

  7. The two guys. Helen isn’t all that convincing when they break in. I think they were a part of the test to see if Locke was committed to his father. He proved that he was willing to lie and put his girlfriend and his own life on the line for his father.

  8. The hotel room. Helen, again sleuthing with her car, finds the hotel. How did she know that Locke’s dad would answer the door in order to slap him in the face the moment he opened it? Unless it was staged.

  9. The knowing look on Locke’s dad’s face as he’s sitting in the taxi. He looks like he feels sorry for Locke. He also looks like he’s amused by Helen’s overcting.

Anything you’d like to discuss?

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interesting theories :slight_smile:

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I totally agree that Helen was playing Locke for many of the reasons you listed.

As for me, I still don’t think that baby belongs to Jin, and Sun is hiding yet more secrets. Even if the magical island did heal Jin and it actually is his baby, I still think Sun cheated.

What’s up with that statue?

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Spoilers Alert: Do not read if you don’t want to hear the latest episode of lost!

Naijeru, did you see episode 3?

I really don’t think it’s Jin baby now. Also I think that the Others - Ben, Mr. Smiley, et al are not a prt of the Island and that the Island wants John Locke to get rid of them. The hallucination was interesting in how some people were okay, but the ones he needed to help were Jack, Kate, and Sawyer. And they (along with him) seem to have the biggest Daddy issues. Locke is almost old enough to at least be Kate’s father (since Evangeline is the same age as me - 27 - but a few days old). I think Ben wants Jack to kill Kate or Sawyer to let him go the way they made Michael kill Ana-Lucia.

I think the statue belonged to the people who worshipped whatever it is that is talking to Locke.

I also think it’s interesting that the four of them who went with Michael (excluding Locke and Eko) on the ambush have had visions from the island. Charlie’s not included since his hallucination was probably drug-fueled. In Charlie’s hallucination, there was a plane crash behind Claire. And the thing that came out of the fire when John did his trance looked like the polar bear.

I really think that John is going to finally become a hunter and kill off the Others.

I also think this will be the final season of Lost.

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ooh, fun thread! I think Helen’s out of the picture this season, as Locke is in deep with the pot-growers/police arc. Also, what’s up with Locke always seeming to have a young man around?

If Sun isn’t carrying Jin’s child, then whose is it? If it’s the guy she was having the affair with, the timing would have to be pretty close to their departure on the plane…if it happened on the island, who would it be? Micheal?

What’s up with Desmond suddenly knowing the future at the end of the last show?

It’s really interesting that the Kate, Sawyer, Jack and Locke all have “daddy issues” - good catch!

Wasn’t it strange that Libby from last season was both inside the asylum and also happened to give Desmond the boat? I know other characters have appeared more than once in the series, but she is definitely the most interesting.

Also, I think it’s time to say goodbye to Mr. Echo - too many “shaman” types now that Locke seems to have restored his faith in the island.

Anyway, I hope we get more of Hurley and Sayid (maybe Sayid and Locke pair up to deal with the “Others”). I actually hope we don’t see too much more of Bernard and Rose - they’re boring.

I really don’t think this will be the last season, though. The ratings are too high, and the producers will keep it going for as long as they can. It’s a pity, too - if they keep adding characters and stretching the storyline without giving the viewers some answers, it’s going to wind down to them needing to kill actors off because they want to move on (I’m thinking of ER here), and perhaps having the storyline fizzle out without any real answers (X-Files). Also, don’t successful TV shows try to get at least 100 episodes for syndication purposes?

I have a sinking feeling that they can’t keep all these threads together, and the whole thing is going to start falling apart, though. They need to feed us some answers this season.

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I sure did! I never thought Sun was pregnant with Jin’s baby. That woman is full of secrets. I’m most concerned about Juliette because she seems real sinister.

What’s the deal with Desmond ‘knowing the future’? There better not be a time travel plot because I HATE time travel plots with the exception of Back to the Future. Hopefully the explanation is a simple one like Desmond and Locke discussing the speech before hand. But why would they have such a discussion?

I don’t think this will be the last season unless the ratings really plummet. The producers mentioned in their podcast that they planned out about five seasons of the show.

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Maybe Desmond has psychic powers with the island like Locke and Walter. Maybe he had a premonition of his speech. I mean the amount of electromagnetic activity they were exposed to must have done something to their heads. I seriously think the island wants the Others to be exterminated. It also seems (I read a few spoilers from thetailsection.com where I also moderate, but they didn’t really reveal anything that I didn’t already suspect) that the one woman… I forget her name, but she was the one in charge of the reading club and was supervising Jack, is at odds with Ben. I think that Ben wanted Locke to not push the button and that’s why he smiles at the sky when the hatch imploded and the sky turned purple.

I saw the trailer for episode 4 (or was it episode 5) and it looked like Ben climbed up a huge hill and showed Sawyer something which is supposed to reveal some big secret about the island. I think it’ll be that the island is actually very close to the mainland, which is only visible from such a high point. It seems like they are showing them the real world only to entice the Losties to do their bidding. Like showing Jack the World Series and information about his wife.

It was obvious that the Others did not expect the Losties or at least they didn’t know anything about them beforehand because Ben told Goodwin and Ethan Rom to join up the groups and produce name lists for him. I think they used some kind of database to learn personal information about them and then chose who to kidnap based on it. I think those who were good people were let go pretty quickly (sent back to the real world) and those who were lacking in faith were kept behind on the island to teach them a lesson. Okay, I think I am thinking too much about it. There is also going to be a big change after the 6th episode for the rest of the series for the other 16 episodes. Perhaps a main character will die…like Sawyer.

I can’t wait for the next episode. I definitely liked Locke’s dream sequence from this past episode, especially in the airport. There were so many little clues and foreshadowing hiding in there. I am glad I have it on my computer so I can watch it over and over again to find all of the clues. For instance, Ben as an airport security guard was wearing a badge that said Henry Gale, although I think that was because Locke doesn’t know his name is really Ben. Also that Jin, Sun, and Sayid were together (like they were on the boat with Sayid stepping in to break up their argument.). And how Boone repeats his words, that he was the sacrifice the island demanded. If Boone was the island talking to Locke in his dream, that is really creepy…

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Spoiler warning

I was reading some stuff on one of the Lost message boards and it seems that one of the main Losties is going to be killed of the show. I don’t see any reason why they need to do this. Many believe it will be Mr. Eko. If that’s the case then why did they even introduce the Tailies. (Obviously Anna Lucia and Libby were written off the show because of the DUIs, so maybe everything that was planned regarding the tailies was scrapped.)
I guess I’m just becoming disappointed with the time made for each of the characters in this show. Four episodes in to the new season and it’s all about JackKateSawyer. There better be a damn good reason for this, but I doubt it.
I was also thinking about all the questions that have never been answered and it seems to me the bulk of them never will be answered because as the seasons roll on they fade into a distant memory and would require to much time and effort to resurrect them. And so it seems that the mysteries are being used disingenuously - that is, they must create many of them without any intention of ever exlpaining them.
Rant over.

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If anyone is going to be killed off, I hope it’s Jin - I find that whole plotline tiresome.

My guess is the ratings might start to drift this season - too many stories, too few answers. Hopefully, the producers will get anxious and start giving some answers soon. It’s going to be hard for them to deliver the goods, IMO. After three years of build up, I doubt whatever answers they provide can live up to the hype.

That said, I’m not going to stop watching :stuck_out_tongue:

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It’s hard to call. I think they need Sayid and that he and Locke are the ones who will probably be fighting the Others. I think, however, Sayid will live so he can redeem himself and find Nadia. Also I think that since he was an Iraqi it would be wrong for him to be killed off. I also think that Charlie and Claire will become a family so they’ll live… Claire needed a father for her son and Charlie needs a family to make him settle down. I can’t seem them making him sober and protective of Aaron only to kill him off. Desmond is too close to being found by Penny and I don’t think they would have given us the WTF moment at the end of the second season if they were only planning to kill him. I also don’t think they would kill a pregnant woman. That would be too sad so Sun is still in. They obviously need Jack because of the fact he’s going to perform spinal surgery on one of the Others. On that front, I think it’s Mr. Smiley. I don’t think they would have let Ben stay captured (nor would he have been able to climb through the hatch’s ducts) if he were the one with the tumor on his spine. Mr. Smiley, however, hasn’t done anything strenous, including the hike up the mountain to show Sawyer where they were.
I think Sawyer will live because Ben seemed to insinuate that they needed him to con someone. Also the fact that this week’s episode was all about another time he was in jail and he had made a deal with his warden to con another prisoner in order to be let free. And the episode being called “Every Man for Himself” I think will come up later. Who will be the patsy? Maybe Jack (he wasn’t supposed to see those x-rays yet), but more than likely, it will be Kate. After all, he’s certainly fallen for her so after his history of falling for his victims, it would only make sense.
I don’t think they would kill off Kate because if they did, the vast majority of their fan base would quit on them. She’s way too popular to die.

My money is on Hurley. Think about it. He’s almost killed himself following his hallucination of Dave. The only woman who loved him is dead. He has nothing to really return home to… his friends have abandoned him and his last remaining family member, his mother, treats him like crap.

And the most convincing reason why I think Hurley will bite the dust:

The bird screeched his name.

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Damn. I hate it when I am wrong. Especially when I am really, really wrong…

But what a way to end the show!

“He said, ‘we’re next.’”

It was creepy how Locke and Eko envisioned the monster as two different things…

And with Jack… will he do what what’s-her-face is suggesting. He is a pretty vengeful guy. I like how Ben presents his take on Jack, that two days after finding the tumor a brain surgeon fell out of the sky. But I wonder now if it was simply a coincidence that Oceania flight 815 fell out of the sky only because the button wasn’t pushed or if Ben had pre-arranged it the whole time, keeping an eye on Jack and making sure that he would be on the plane. Kinda extreme measures to make an entire plane crash just to get one gifted brain surgeon. Most people would use the yellow pages. Of course, the flashback to when the plane crash happened makes one think that it was unintentional, I mean Ben told Goodwin and Ethan to get lists so it seemed they didn’t know who was on the plane. I wonder if they tortured the other kidnapped losties to make them think the Others were the good guys or if it’s just Jack they are after and they killed the other losties just because they had not real purpose.

It makes for a funny scene the one where the original plane appeared in the sky to explain why Ben had that half smile on his face when the Hatch blew…

Two days before the plane crash…

Ben (kneeling down in prayer): And God, I know this tumor on my spine is your way of testing me, but I hope it is your will to deliver a miracle to help me get through this turbulent (pun intended) time…

Two days later, Oceania flight 815 hits Lost Island.

Ben: (in a scene edited) What’s that, Ethan? The famous Jack Shephard, genius brain surgeon was aboard? My prayers have been answered.

Two and a half months later. Ben is on his knees again finishing his nighttime prayers.

Ben: …so I won’t be so lonely. Well, maybe not huge breasts, but you know what I mean, God.

:laughing:

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Woo-hoo - I called it, even though I really want Jin to get killed off.

Next prediction: Jack doesn’t kill Ben. Sawyer took one look at pretty blonde conspirator girl and concluded that she wouldn’t have hesitated to kill Kate - trust Sawyer - he’s the most honest guy there.

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So what’s the take on this week’s episode?

Lift your eyes and look to the north…

The surgery (damn, I was wrong again)…

Kate and Sawyer - how bad has Jack messed up since he seems to be the only person who doesn’t know about “Alcatraz”?

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Jack was all kinds of awesome in this episode! I’m very happy with the season thus far, despite the unrighteous loss of Mr. Eko.

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I had high hopes for this season and the first three episodes were the most outstanding ones since Season 1. However the most recent two epsiodes have been two of the worst. The episode in which Mr. Eko died could have been shown in ten minutes. So rather than give us some more time with characters we haven’t seen since Season Two or begin to wrap up what is becoming a waste of time at the Others’ camp, they drag out Mr. Eko’s death for 30 more minutes. Also, another thing regarding Mr. Eko’s death - That means only Bernard is left from the Tailies introduced last season. It seems more and more that the second season had no point. We could’ve skipped the whole tail section stuff and been right where we are now because we learned very little about the island or the others from their point of view.
As for the most recent episode, nothing worthwhile happened. We know Sawyer won’t be killed so who gives a shit about Pickett’s desire to kill him since it ain’t gonna happen. Also rather than spend 20 minutes building up to the operating room scene with things like Kate talking to Jack, Jack seeing Kate and Sawyer together, Jack telling Ben he’ll do the surgery, we could’ve spent more time with Locke, Desmond, and Sayid.
I also think the writer’s need to explain why the introduction of new characters, Paulo and NIkki, was so awkward because I can’t imagine their writing has become that crappy. Also, the writer’s need to eventually explain why the Others have gone from being so clever to becoming so stupid.
Finally this cliffhanger is so terrible that if I weren’t such a fan of the first two seasons, I woul have no intention of even watching it when it returns in February. If they want to keep their audience they better start answering about as many mysteries as they create because as I mentioned in a previous thread, if they don’t start answering some of the mysteries we will forget them and when they do come back around to answering them, they wil have become meaningless.

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I think they are taking a break after this sixth episode, if I’m not mistaken.

I don’t know about you all, but the death scene from episode 5 made it hard for me sleep that night. It was a little too creepy the way it addressed him as a person. Did you notice that when it banged him against the trees, it was in the sign of the cross?

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I haven’t watched it in a while. Maybe I should.

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I am in possession of all of season 3 so far should you be wanting to view it…

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Thanks Imani. I might go up tp Taipei next week-end. I’ll pm you if I’m certain.

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I’m with Neon Noodle - either they start tying up some storylines here, or people will lose interest. It also seems like a huge stalling tactic on the part of the writers to even bother witht he “tailies” last season. Was there any point at all for that? Great, now Bernard is the only one left - and we haven’t seen him all season. Really pointless so far.

As for the introduction of the new characters - my only hope is that they are being introduced as potential cannon fodder for future episodes, much like the “red shirt” characters in the old Star Trek. Now it also appears that there is a mysterious other that is higher than Ben? Great - is it the man with the eyepatch they saw in the monitor? Golly, another mystery! Let’s spend two more seasons learning about him!

They need to come up with some answers this season, or I’m probably going to quit watching.