And they’re right. That’s the point. lmao. Make it less about the KMT.
Can’t make our own flag cause China will bomb us? Despite the fact that Taiwan has a fighting chance, nobody wants a bloodbath here and wants their equal chance at living.
So… take KMT flag. Keep faking it as the Taiwanese flag, eventually it becomes the reality.
Oh wait… It already became the Taiwanese flag.
Yes I agree completely. Was a master move from Tsai. 
I acknowledge that you think it’s moving to the centre. I disagree on that. But I acknowledge your opinion.
I think it’s something else.
Well thats the genius of ROC Taiwan, it can be many things at one. Deep blue generals who have spent their whole lives training to risk their lives fighting for their country(ROC) and young green youths identifying with Taiwan can be equally happy and united.
Technically, acknowledging the legitimacy of the KMT’s illegal annexation of Taiwan justifies the CCP’s planned takeover of Taiwan.
Of course, if peace fails, i.e. the US is no longer the dominant power in the Pacific, then international law be damned. After all, silent enim lēgēs inter arma. However, if the US wants to justify coming to Taiwan’s aid, Taiwan cannot be a Chinese domestic issue.
If you view the CCP as reasonable people and not a bunch of gangsters, then that would be a decent argument. But at the end of the day, they dont care about historical arguments or international treaties. ROC and ROT for them is the same thing, both are 獨. So in the end Huadu is Taidu
Look at this post from the very popular YouTuber Potter King and interaction with DPP politician Hsu-Shu Hua. In 2021, nobody sees any contradiction or problem between all these things and a decade ago they would, is my point.
Say in 1812, King George was overthrown in a coup for his alleged mental madness, and he managed to take a bunch of men and escaped to the US, took control of the British troops currently there for the War of 1812, defeated the US troops, and declared himself as the true King of England, and Washington to be the temporary capital of Britain. 100 years later, in 1912, on August 24, some American celebrated “Happy Buring Day” and while other Americans calls it “America’s Birthday”.
That’s how that facebook exchange reads like to me.
Respect your opinion
For most TI pioneers, those who dedicated their lives and their family’s safety to the cause of achieving democracy and Taiwan independence, Huadu is only a temporary compromise under forced circumstances. The real goal has always been Taidu.
Most of them also operated under the creed “Taidu is the goal that can only be worked towards and not mentioned”, as said by DPP founder N̂g Sìn-kài (黃信介).
I honestly respect and understand that, but just my feeling and from following commentary, its becoming more of a minority position.
Or, the Chabuduo position. This is where a decent chunk of dpp supporters are butthurt about Tsai. Though i think she has actually played it quite well strategically in enforcing and gaining ground on being recognized for what we are (a simple country designation), without provoking all out schizophrenia within the CCP.
Could she have done more to.promote Taiwans dignity as a country? Yes.
Has any president done better at promoting Taiwan’s dignity as a country? No. Not even Chen, sorry to his fans.
Can you point out specifically what Tsai did right that CSB didn’t? From my perspective there are no major differences between what they do and say. Tsai simply lucked out to have more internal support (as a result of CSB’s cultural and education reforms), and more external support, since the US fell out with China.
I see it more as a realistic position. Society needs compromise and there is just a malaise surrounding cross-straits issues in general. Still need transitional justice, but not every election in Taiwan can be about identity issues after so many years. This is my impression of the mainstream position, naturally want to be independent of China but also bored of the same conversations. There are other things to deal with in Taiwan.
Also gaining ground with moderates and securing DPP staying in power moving forward.
Here we go again. Can you explain why it was an illegal annexation?
Just a short look at Wiki gives me this:
With the end of World War II, Taiwan was placed under the administrative control of the Republic of China by the Allies of World War II after 50 years of colonial rule by Japan.
Chen Yi, the ROC Chief Executive of Taiwan, arrived on October 24, 1945, and received the last Japanese Governor-General, Andō Rikichi, who signed the document of surrender on the next day, which was proclaimed by Chen as “Retrocession Day”.
This turned out to be legally controversial since Japan did not renounce its sovereignty over Taiwan until April 28, 1952, with the coming into force of the San Francisco Peace Treaty, which further complicated the political status of Taiwan.
So which law did the KMT break?
Violated the right to self determination. Did not ask locals what they wanted.
That’s a law?
Taiwan was permanently ceded to Japan. Taiwan and the rest of the Japanese owned territories prior to WW2 in the Asia Pacific were trusted to the Ally Powers according to the UN charter.
UN Charter, Chapter 7, Article 77
The trusteeship system shall apply to such territories in the following categories as may be placed thereunder by means of trusteeship agreements:
- territories now held under mandate;
- territories which may be detached from enemy states as a result of the Second World War; and
- territories voluntarily placed under the system by states responsible for their administration.
The purpose of trusteeship is to:
UN Charter, Chapter 7, Article 76
b. to promote the political, economic, social, and educational advancement of the inhabitants of the trust territories, and their progressive development towards self-government or independence as may be appropriate to the particular circumstances of each territory and its peoples and the freely expressed wishes of the peoples concerned, and as may be provided by the terms of each trusteeship agreement;
As such, the trust territory are entitled to has to follow Chapter 1, Article 1, part 2 of UN’s charter, and deserve right to self-determination.
The US as the primary victor is the trustee, and it merely relegated the right to administration to the ROC. The ROC had no right unilaterally annex Taiwan, declare Taiwan a province, conscript the people of Taiwan, or even to tax the people of Taiwan to be used in China.
It certainly had no right to declare martial law over the trust territory, enact a police state and practice white terror over the population of the trust territory.
The UN charter was signed in San Francisco on 26 June 1945. That was before Japan’s surrender, and the US navy didn’t ferry KMT troops over to Taiwan until that October.
Historical discussion have a lot of angles and narratives. Its also true that Taiwanese welcomed the KMT when they came 
The KMT definitely acted like a colonial regime over Taiwanese already here. I’m not sure it makes them legally one though.
Historical discussions are important in terms of identity , but not really relevant in terms of the cross-straits situation. The only thing that actually matters is the rights of self-determination of people.
So? Did the people of Northern Vietnam not welcome the KMT when they came under MacArthur’s General Order No. 1? Does that make Vietnam a part of China?
