What about the Bush family who funded the Nazis and helped them?
The Swiss were swindled out of money from the shysters behind the holocaust industry.
How many holocaust survivors saw any of the money? Virtually zero. That was not the fault of the swiss.
Have the Indonesian people got their money back from the Suharto accounts? How about the Filipino people and the Marcos accounts? Not the fault of the Swiss? Yeah, right. 
[quote=“Kenny McCormick”]
freedom fighter or terrorist…[/quote]
Kenny, that is bullshit. Do you consider the Baader-Meinhof Gang to have been “freedom fighters”?
Ulricke Meinhof
baader-meinhof.com/who/terro … lrike.html
baader-meinhof.com/gun/chapter/index.htm
But I wonder what superpower propped up these regimes and sold them arms etc etc etc.
And I wonder how much the likes of the bush family have in swiss bank accounts?
[quote=“European”]
And I wonder how much the likes of the bush family have in swiss bank accounts?[/quote]
Why don’t you tell us?
European:
Get your crackpot sites right. It was not the Bush family that supported Nazi Germany but the Kennedys (or perhaps you are thinking of the Fords?)
Anyway, Switzerland is finally cleaning up its act after years and years of being criticized for lax monitoring of dictator assets. There is a reason why people joke about Swiss bank accounts (truth be told Luxembourg used to be pretty lax too) but since 1998 this has changed and you can read a report on the new and improved Switzerland at:
fedpol.admin.ch/e/aktuell/medien/06261.htm
In addition, further information regarding moneylaundering and new steps taken to fight it can be accessed at www.oecd.org
Finally, there are several cases pending yet regarding various ill-gotten gains from various dictators around the world (so why always Switzerland you well may ask?) but Bhutto of Pakistan has the most recent case (I believe she lost and is trying to keep Pakistan’s government from recovering these funds). That said, I do not think that she has been adequately able to explain how she got all this money on her salary). So while Switzerland may be better now (a highly relative term), it used to be the bank of choice for all sorts of nasty dictators who did not want questions asked, way before but also including many members of the Nazi regime. I believe that this has already been well documented, particularly by the Mossad (though it could just be a Jewish plot to dominate world finances…)
fred
[quote=“blueface666”][quote=“Kenny McCormick”]
freedom fighter or terrorist…[/quote]
Kenny, that is bullshit. Do you consider the Baader-Meinhof Gang to have been “freedom fighters”?
Ulricke Meinhof
baader-meinhof.com/who/terro … lrike.html
baader-meinhof.com/gun/chapter/index.htm[/quote]
Blueface,
Sometimes I will have to call you Mr. Leftfield or Mr. [Ir]relevance.
Since when was the Baader gang involved in the struggle for independence of the Philippines? Or perhaps you think the US did rightfully own the Philippines and the ‘natives’ didn’t.
aha… you can’t bring in the specter of communism this time. 
Now Kenny:
You can clearly see by reading the earlier posts that European was the one who took things down this line by referring to Swiss bank accounts and being the little nihilist Leftie that he is, deliberately tried to foist every evil action that take place in the world on the current US president. Anyway, if irrelevance is something that is no longer tolerated on these threads, who will be the last left posting? haha
And stop fighting with IYBF. It isn’t nice. You will have to go retake Soddom’s moral test to find out whether you are a good person or not. Besides, you seem to both be talking past each other anyway and ala some of the moral relativism on these threads, I shall take liberty by offering the following analogy:
In some cultures, it’s like totally okay to call someone a dufus so like it is only your narrow-minded ethnocentric morally straightened egotism that suggest that you are the only one that can be right. Like in other cultures too like it is totally acceptable to like kill people who disagree with you so like how can you say that they cannot do that when it’s like their culture, ya dig?
Finally, is it any wonder that such an unfortunate looking woman like Ulrike took to terrorism. Why is it that terrorists are always so unredeemably ugly?
freddy
[quote=“fred smith”]Now Kenny:
You can clearly see by reading the earlier posts that European was the one who took things down this line by referring to Swiss bank accounts and being the little nihilist Leftie that he is, deliberately tried to foist every evil action that take place in the world on the current US president. Anyway, if irrelevance is something that is no longer tolerated on these threads, who will be the last left posting? haha
And stop fighting with IYBF. It isn’t nice. You will have to go retake Soddom’s moral test to find out whether you are a good person or not. Besides, you seem to both be talking past each other anyway and ala some of the moral relativism on these threads, I shall take liberty by offering the following analogy:
In some cultures, it’s like totally okay to call someone a dufus so like it is only your narrow-minded ethnocentric morally straightened egotism that suggest that you are the only one that can be right. Like in other cultures too like it is totally acceptable to like kill people who disagree with you so like how can you say that they cannot do that when it’s like their culture, ya dig?
Finally, is it any wonder that such an unfortunate looking woman like Ulrike took to terrorism. Why is it that terrorists are always so unredeemably ugly?
freddy[/quote]
Your conflation of different posts is confusing to say the least.
Comment 1: Blueface remarked that my comments were bullshit by posting the Baader link where clearly we were talking about the Philippine Insurrection context. The stuff with European and Swiss Bank accounts came later, and I was not party to that.
Comment2: I don’t understand IYBF’s posts anyways… it doesn’t amount to a hill of beans. (moi, provocateur?) Let him answer Big Dunc’s query first before anything else.
Comment3: Fred, man you are either losing your touch or you have become a zombie of the Haitian Voodoo Witchdoctors which explains your muddled thinking. Pray to Jobba and make an offering of Rum so that he may be appeased and strike your captor dead.
Comment4: Yah, why can’t we be hijacked on a jet by a bunch (what’s the term for a bunch of rabbits? a haven? a barren?) of Playboy Playmates? I would totally surrender and succumb to that whole hostage-falls-for-hijacker romance.
Playboy or Penthouse should have some sort of airline package like this. “Get Jacked by Miss July and Miss August”. “Free Miss December from the evil clutches of the Pet of the Year Runner Up.” Reminds me… there is a “Mile High” Airplane Company that has “escorts” on board. Kinda like Hedonism on a boat cruise… only on an airplane. Not surprisingly they fly out of Thailand.
Kenny:
Hahahaha Now do you get it?
freddy
So why did you make this totally irrelevant and inappropriate statement?
If you’re going to parrot a leftist defence of terrorism, I’m going to call you on it.
[quote=“fred smith”]Kenny:
Hahahaha Now do you get it?
freddy[/quote]
Yes Mrs. Left-Field 
Does that make you part of the Left Wing?
So why did you make this totally irrelevant and inappropriate statement?
If you’re going to parrot a leftist defence of terrorism, I’m going to call you on it.[/quote]
And if you parrot the “rightist defence of US expansionism”, then likewise.
Ok just to clarify (and before we create another Japan-nuke meltdown),
so you don’t believe the people who rose up against the US forces in the Philippines were freedom fighters who wanted Philippines for the Philippinos. You think they were just rebel scum (to paraphrase star wars only) whose rebellion should have been put down, because the Phililppines belonged to the US.
That’s all I want to know. because if so, then any further argument would be pointless (as if we already aren’t there)
But I thought it was very telling that US history books call that event an Insurrection while Philippinos might call it a Struggle for Independence (as with the Rebellion against the Crown by the New World Colonies one might say).
So if say, the Muslim world is victorious, the history books will speak of martyrs and freedom fighters, not terrorists. (and I am not saying I condone their actions by the way, just a example by contrast)
Now we have a choice:
All jokes and confusion aside. Let’s set up a Philippine Insurrection thread so this can go back to being the whipping post for the evil Germans as it was meant to be.
Agreed?
freddy
Does wanting the Philippines for Filipinos make you a freedom fighter?
Aguinaldo was not elected by anyone. He saw an opportunity, made a grab for power, and he killed many Filipinos who got in his way. Aguinaldo was actually in Hong Kong in 1898, having been paid off by the Spanish after a failed rebellion in 1896. When he saw that the upcoming American war with the Spanish would provide him with an opportunity to claim power, he took it and once back in the Philippines he quickly declared independence.
Aguinaldo was no democrat (although like most successful leaders he had his positive traits). He was no freedom fighter. He was a half Chinese mestizo fortunate enough to have the biggest gang of fighters when the Americans arrived to kick the Spanish out and he probably would have died in Hong Kong if the Americans hadn’t intervened. The U.S. was right to ignore his claims to power.
Does wanting the Philippines for Filipinos make you a freedom fighter?
Aguinaldo was not elected by anyone. He saw an opportunity, made a grab for power, and he killed many Filipinos who got in his way. Aguinaldo was actually in Hong Kong in 1898, having been paid off by the Spanish after a failed rebellion in 1896. When he saw that the upcoming American war with the Spanish would provide him with an opportunity to claim power, he took it and once back in the Philippines he quickly declared independence.
Aguinaldo was no democrat (although like most successful leaders he had his positive traits). He was no freedom fighter. He was a half Chinese mestizo fortunate enough to have the biggest gang of fighters when the Americans arrived to kick the Spanish out and he probably would have died in Hong Kong if the Americans hadn’t intervened. The U.S. was right to ignore his claims to power.[/quote]
Mestizo? How many Philippinos aren’t? (unless you’re talking about the other smaller islands with more indigenous tribes). I’m not saying he was the Thomas Jefferson, etc of Phillipines. Also, he didn’t represent the entire phillipines.
E.g. The Moros tribe had their own rebellion for their own islands.
This doesn’t absolve the U.S. actions there.
If the Americans left, Aguinaldo certainly would have tried to rule all the Philippines.
It wasn’t so much the Mestizo part as the Chinese part. The native Filipinos have often rioted against the Chinese because of their economic success, and Aguinaldo was no friend of the poor peasants. He often worked out special deals for his wealthy benefactors that caused problems with the peasants. Karnow, in his book on the Philippines, speculates this is one major reason the insurrection died out.
No one said it did. On the other hand, if the U.S. had left the islands right after kicking out the Spanish, the Vidals, Zinns, Soddoms, and McCormicks of the world would almost certainly now be blaming the U.S. for causing a bloody civil war and the subsequent dictatorship because of leaving so precipitously.
By the way, before someone calls me on it, Aguinaldo was actually elected to a presidency (if you can call it that), but just by some army factions in a very limited election held in 1897, before he was paid off by the Spanish to go to Hong Kong. He didn’t even bother to show up at the election because he busy fighting the Spanish at the time.
Kenny:
Just what do you think the US was doing in the Philippines and what were its actions there?
200,000 dead. How many soldiers? How many civilians? How many died of famine? disease? crossfire? and who killed who? Do you know? If so, please let me know since I do not.
fred
There were many diverse forces in the Phillipines
Andr
[quote=“Kenny McCormick”]There were many diverse forces in the Phillipines
Andr