Microphones and Sleeping with One's Eyes Open

As I type this, I can hear another teacher in the room next to me talking on a microphone. I have my windows and door closed, and yet it’s still really loud. There’s no point in complaining about it because all of the female teachers at my school use a microphone at such volumes, so I’d be seen as the weirdo if I complained. Anyway, I’ve always wondered why a person would need to use a microphone in a room that measures approximately 15m long and 12m wide, if that. Does the human voice alone really not suffice for such a space? I’ve heard it’s because they need to save their voices, but they only teach about three lessons per day. Anyway, this is not so much the real point of this post, but the introduction to it.

There does always seem to be some sort of arms race in noise volume that could probably just be avoided if the teacher told the kids at the back to shut up and didn’t use the microphone solely as a means of keeping other students awake. If you have a presence in a room that is not too big, you can actually be talking quite softly and everyone will pay attention. I suspect that this issue with the microphones is to compensate for the fact that these teachers stand out the front like statues and drone on and don’t require any real active participation from the kids, but they think that if their voice is inescapable in the room, that that alone will forgive all other sins. So long as when the principal walks past, everyone has their eyes open, it’s okay. That seems to be the jist of it. By active participation, I don’t mean that the kids have to be explicitly doing something with their hands and so on. There can be active listening. I mean that they have to be doing more than basically sleeping with their eyes open. There seems to be little feedback mechanism in these classes where the teacher actually knows (or for that matter, cares), right now, if the kids are following what she’s on about.

Recently, I’ve really begun lighting a torch under my students and putting them on the spot if they haven’t told me they don’t understand something. It really freaks them out if I ask them if they understand (which is really the warning for “I’m going to ask you specifically in a second, so tell me now so I don’t embarrass you”) and that it doesn’t end there. I ask them to tell me what I just told them, or to tell me what _____ means in Chinese. I think many honestly expect that they can spend two periods per week, if not the full forty, asleep with their eyes open and no one will call them on it, probably because no one else does call them on it. Then everyone just prescribes make up classes after the fact. Yet doesn’t this miss the point that if the initial instruction were more effective, and had mechanisms built in for formative assessment along the way (which requires more than the kids just pretending that they’re actually conscious in the classroom), that make up classes (and indeed, the sheer volume of study that students do in general in this country) would be completely unnecessary?

As I wrote above, I don’t expect anything here to change, but it’s an insight that I had at the recent workshop with ironlady that many people are just phoning it in, on both sides of the classroom. There were moments where ironlady actually went right up to people and they refused to even look her in the eye, let alone answer. Why were those people even there? Because they had to attend a certain number of professional development hours? It came as a great epiphany that if, when we take the role of students, we professional educators can’t, won’t or don’t take any responsibility for our role in the process, what likelihood is there that we expect our students to do likewise? So, what likelihood is there that they’re actually getting anything from being in our classes?

I’m not a professional educator. I work in a cram school. My role in the process is quite limited.

Noble effort, but unless you get some sort of buy in from the establishment at your school, it seems like pissing in the wind except for the benefit to your own sanity.

Remember you are teaching them a new process and not one they may be able to handle well.

These days, it’s all about my own sanity. I realise anything else is futile.

You’ve made the mistake of assuming the goal of school here is education when it’s actually the reproduction of status. If teachers did their job properly, there wouldn’t be a demand for cram schools. This would take the advantage away from rich families by leveling the playing field. Of course, nobody with power wants that, so the system never changes and the cycle continues…You should know this by now GIT…The the use of the microphone is just a symptom of this system, as you accurately described above…

archylgp: As cynical as I am, I can never quite grasp the nettle and accept that this is all fucked. I still labour under the illusion that it’s just my cynicism, and I am, in fact, completely wrong about the education system here.

I use to teach at a private school. It was policy across the school – including my classes – that 20% of test material was not taught. I can only think of one reason why and I bet you know what it is…

I use to teach at a private school. It was policy across the school – including my classes – that 20% of test material was not taught. I can only think of one reason why and I bet you know what it is…[/quote]

AHH! That’s terrible.

Unless things have changed since the pieces below were written, something similar seems to go on with legal training:

[quote]“Many questions on the test came from either material taught exclusively at cram schools or they were selected from famous law professors’ publications. Which means, if you didn’t go to the cram schools or haven’t read these professors’ texts, you will never be able to answer these questions. That’s not fair.”

[James] Yang [楊智傑] wrote in his book that in order to pass the Bar exam, many law students stop going to classes and start going to cram schools during their third or fourth year in college.[/quote]–Jimmy Chuang, “Author lambastes Taiwan’s Bar exam,” Taipei Times, August 22, 2002
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[quote]The average passing rate for the National Bar Examination from 1985 to 2000 was under 7 percent. The highest passing rate was 15 percent in 1993. Because of this low passage rate, students turn to cram schools (buxiban) for help. The cram school courses in Taiwan can last up to eighteen months and meet three nights a week for three hours each night. Because students take cram school classes concurrently with their college courses, cram school appears to interfere with the students’ regular instruction.[/quote]–Mark E. Steiner, “Cram Schooled,” Wisconsin International Law Journal, Volume 24, Number 1 (2006), page 383 hosted.law.wisc.edu/wilj/issues/24/1/steiner.pdf

[quote=“Charlie Jack”]Unless things have changed since the pieces below were written, something similar seems to go on with legal training:

[quote]“Many questions on the test came from either material taught exclusively at cram schools or they were selected from famous law professors’ publications. Which means, if you didn’t go to the cram schools or haven’t read these professors’ texts, you will never be able to answer these questions. That’s not fair.”

[James] Yang [楊智傑] wrote in his book that in order to pass the Bar exam, many law students stop going to classes and start going to cram schools during their third or fourth year in college.[/quote]–Jimmy Chuang, “Author lambastes Taiwan’s Bar exam,” Taipei Times, August 22, 2002
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That puts everything in perspective.
I have a few grade 2 kids who had the word Family Mart in their school test. They had no idea what it meant and thus almost every student in the class had it wrong. The teacher’s response was that it is a term that is relevant to their daily lives and therefore important to learn. I agree, therefore you should actually TEACH it before you test it.

[quote=“Charlie Jack”]Unless things have changed since the pieces below were written, something similar seems to go on with legal training:

[quote]“Many questions on the test came from either material taught exclusively at cram schools or they were selected from famous law professors’ publications. Which means, if you didn’t go to the cram schools or haven’t read these professors’ texts, you will never be able to answer these questions. That’s not fair.”

[James] Yang [楊智傑] wrote in his book that in order to pass the Bar exam, many law students stop going to classes and start going to cram schools during their third or fourth year in college.[/quote]–Jimmy Chuang, “Author lambastes Taiwan’s Bar exam,” Taipei Times, August 22, 2002
taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/ … 0000165114

This speaks to my experience in a Taiwanese graduate school program; the professors were not teaching or even making reference to important research in the field. (In fact they were oblivious to its existence.) If a student wanted to do relevant research, they would need to do their own “teaching” (=many trips to 中央研究院 library). The difference is that professors in Taiwan, who research Chinese linguistics, as that is the only field for which I can speak, don’t need to do relevant research – they can get by staying in the Taiwanese intellectual bubble – but students who need to pass bar need to find a way to learn the stuff to continue in the field.

I’ve seen some evidence of the kind of thing heimuoshu is talking about–testing students on things that probably were not taught–in the junior high school tests that some students have brought to us. But my knowledge of what goes on in junior high here is scanty; I don’t know how widespread that practice is.

In general, though, at least from what I’ve seen, I don’t fully understand why junior high English is the way it is. The English portion of the high school entrance exam (Basic Competence Test) is fairly straightforward, mostly involves comprehension, and (I think–I haven’t gone over all the BCTs) generally sticks to the MOE’s word list, and where it doesn’t, provides boxed translations. Again, from what I’ve seen, I have to guess that a pretty good deal of the English they teach in junior high doesn’t seem to have much to do with the BCT, and seems to be different in character from it.

Here’s another tidbit:

[Forumosa - Taiwan's largest and most active Taiwan-oriented global online community in English … 9#p1051679](The buxiban system - #13 by bababa

Someone, I forget who, was saying that in high school, they give the students a very large number of vocabulary words to learn. Apparently this is for the college entrance exam?

One of my Junior High students (he’s just started junior high) got 70% for his English tes in school and his mom asked me to look at the test and help him with the parts he doesn’t understand. If you remove the translation part (which I never teach and I refuse to) he had 65 out of 70. He lost 25 out of 30 on the translation. What got me really annoyed was why a student who wrote nothing got zero out of two (for each question) and this kid often lost two marks for two minor errors. That meant “My brother play piano everyday because he like it” is worth as much as someone who wrote nothing or ran into two words in the sentence they didn’t know. I just said to him in Chinese to not get discouraged and stay motivated, he will get it right eventually but in my heart I was feeling that a brilliant example of demotivation to learn English had just happened in front of me.

I used to use a radio-mike sometimes so that, when I asked a student a question (particularly if I asked them to read something, which is nearly always inaudible) I could “broadcast” thier response, if any.

All the radio-mikes seem to be broken now, and there is never any interest in fixing anything.

I don’t usually use the ordinary mikes for this because the wire isn’t long enough to reach the back,my favorite target zone. I don’t use them for myself unless I have a sore throat, or I’m singing.

I think most Taiwanese teachers use them all the time.

[quote=“heimuoshu”]If you remove the translation part (which I never teach and I refuse to) he had 65 out of 70. He lost 25 out of 30 on the translation.[/quote] Yeah, I’ve seen those. They’re pretty brutal.

Setting aside the idea of changing this stuff (that doesn’t sound too promising), it’d be nice if we could just go around it somehow, or at least go around the bulk of it.

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This thread is unbelievably depressing. The people designing, administering and marking these tests need to be taken out and publicly flogged. Corrupt, evil motherfuckers. Think of how much better people here would be at English if they didn’t have to play all these absurd games. The parents also need a collective clip under the ear for not rising up against such nonsense. All the more reason for me to home school.

In a private school especially, if they only teach 80% of the test, wouldn’t that open them up to being sued? And Taiwanese love nothing if not to sue for the slightest thing. The parents have to carry as much fault here if they are content to let the schools get away with it.

Well, you’re trying something different. That’s good.

I suppose that would be the case if they said they would teach all the material on their tests.

Private schools get their business because they (1) the teachers are held responsible, (2) they are more prestigious, (3) they do teach more material than most public schools (I’ve been told.), (4) they separate the good kids from the bad kids (especially during the last year (junior 3) and most parents think their children are good and are afraid of them getting mixed up with bad kids, (5) they hire foreign English teachers, (6) good write ups in newspapers (a form of advertising)…There are surely other reasons, too.

The smartest kids go to those elite public schools…

And it would seem several pennies have dropped.

Pardon me for being blunt, but has the OP even considered recollecting one’s own experience as a public primary or secondary school student? Even in a few private ones?
Were you an eager or a reluctant student?
I myself most certainly had much better places to be. If the teacher or the material just didn’t cut the mustard, or if was merely a dull hoop to be passed through, then of course the younglings got pretty vacant. And that was when we had ponds, and trees and ditches to muck about in.
I can’t imagine what it must be like to be a student in this country, with the endless hours, meagre payoff, and asshat expectations. I’m surprised more students’ eyes don’t roll into the back of their skull.