Ming Chuan University’s International College

Hi

I’m from Finland and new to the forum. Currently I’m studying Internationall Business(BBA) ín Finland. I and my gf applied for the overseas exchange to the Ming Chuan University in Taoyuan. My Girlfriend is studying tourism. We both got the place from our school, luckily. So now we have to start planning our next year in Taiwan. I have some many questions.

We are not intrested to live in dormitories, because we have been living together here in Finland too. So how hard it’s to rent apartment near the campus for a one year(from mid-september to mid-june). We would like to have apartment with enough room for 1-2 visitors (visitor can sleep on floor :P) and our price limit is 400euros so about 17000$, ofcourse it can be cheaper when we would have more money to travel around south-east asia.

What about vaccinations? What we would need?

I know that this is quite early to start “planning” but I’m so excited to leave Finland for one year! I have seen enough Winters, this winter have been very cold, many days -25C or more.

Matti

Welcome to The Island’s furriner student population.

Taoyuan is a lot cheaper than Taipei. Within that budget, you should be able to find something nice and modern. Consider though that usually utilities and Internet are paid for separately, so you should add that to the budget.

Some people reccomend Hepatitis shots, due to the prevalence of this virus in the region. Since you will be traveling around, it seems a good idea. Anything more exotic -yellow fever, Japanese encephalitis- is rare, not vital but usually suggested by travel guides.

You will be paying national health insurance, which covers most services. However, most prefer Western dentsist, so make sure all is fine in that department before you come.

Good luck and feel free to ask any other questions.

Welcome to Forumaso,
Your gonna have a wonderful time living in Taiwan. Taiwan is fun, inexpensive and a great place to live. Ming Chuan University’s International College Is based in the Gui Shan District 龜山 just a little outside Taoyuan City. Living in Taoyuan can be inexpensive as rent would usually run from NT$ 8,000 - NT$14000 for a two bedroom apartment. You maybe also able to find cheaper and a lot more expensive.

If you can read Chinese you can look at 591.com.tw for apartments. Below I have attached a couple of links for apartments in the Gui Shan area and Taoyuan City.

rent.591.com.tw/house-rentSale.html?aid=696

rent.591.com.tw/house-rentSale.html?aid=696

Good look with your studies.

[quote=“Icon”] However, most prefer Western dentsist, so make sure all is fine in that department before you come.

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Even within North America and Europe there are huge differences between regions in the quality of dental care. In many jurisdictions, dental hygeniests don’t clean above the teeth in the gumline. This is also the norm in Europe and Japan. Since brushing and flossing alone doesn’t remove all the plaque, this cleaning needs to be done regularly.

If you’ve had dental cleanings in Asia and you go back to your home dentist in Western or Central North America (where the quality is higher) be prepared for a painful 2-hour cleaning upon your return.

Thanks for the answers.

Unfortunally we cant speak or read chinese. I think we will stay in the school dormitories at first, when we are there I think it’s more easy to look for the another apartment and maybe someone from the university can help us.

We are staying in Taiwan for 9-10 months, so we have to apply visa. Which is the best visa for the exchange-students? “Multiple entry visa”? We are planning to travel around asia, if we have enough time and money.

About the money. I would not like to pay ATM charges (2.5%) when I am getting cash, so it’s the best way to open local bank account? I know that I have to ask from my bank here in Finland too. Both of us are getting student grant from Finnish goverment + scholarship total it’s about 800 euros/month/person. I have find out if the goverment and “school” is able to pay the “student grants” to foreigner bank account.

I’m sorry for my English, but that’s one reason why I’m going to exchange.

Ps. Our parents are worried about earthquakes… :smiley:

Matti

I used to teach at MCU, though not in IC.

Worrying about earthquakes is silly. There are 22 million people living here and not many of them are going to be killed or injured in earthquakes. Other kinds of mishaps are thousands (?) of times more likely.

ATM card will probably be the cheapest way to get your money here. Check with your bank in Finland, but you may have to pay charges this end too if you have money wired.

There’s quite a bit of accommodation near the MCU gate in Guishan. Kind of like privately owned dorms: the way this normally works is that you rent your place by the semester. There would be different sized rooms, and you could stay with your girlfriend.

I think you pay for the official dorm up front, for a semester, too. You can’t really move out unless you forfeit the rent or find someone to move in. The rooms are single sex, sleep 6 (or is it 8?) and your roommates will be other westerners. They don’t like to put you in with Taiwanese people, or even foreign students from Asia.

There are restaurants on and off campus, and the immediate area has a somehow studenty feel. No bars, bookshops or anything to do in the area though. Taoyuan centre is 15 minutes on a regular bus, but that’s pretty boring too. There are regular (cheap) student buses into Taipei that connect with the MRT.

I left MCU 2 years ago, so my information about IC may be out of date. At that time, I would say that most western students in IC were broadly dissatisfied with their experience. Many administrative gripes and hassles, and very difficult to sort out when the uni admin people mostly don’t speak English, or are embarrassed to. Half or more IC classmates will probably be native Chinese speakers (many from Taiwan); lecturers are nearly all Taiwanese too, so the (often disfluent and inadequate) English teaching sometimes degenerates into Chinese. Lecturers are often unable to answer questions adequately. There will be 2 clear blocs in the classroom (1 foreign, 1 Chinese); it will be difficult for you and your girlfriend, especially without Chinese knowledge, to break through the cultural barrier and get to know locals.

You shoudl definitely get in touch with some current or former IC students before committing yourselves. Good luck!

[quote=“smithsgj”]I used to teach at MCU, though not in IC.

Worrying about earthquakes is silly. There are 22 million people living here and not many of them are going to be killed or injured in earthquakes. Other kinds of mishaps are thousands (?) of times more likely.

ATM card will probably be the cheapest way to get your money here. Check with your bank in Finland, but you may have to pay charges this end too if you have money wired.

There’s quite a bit of accommodation near the MCU gate in Guishan. Kind of like privately owned dorms: the way this normally works is that you rent your place by the semester. There would be different sized rooms, and you could stay with your girlfriend.

I think you pay for the official dorm up front, for a semester, too. You can’t really move out unless you forfeit the rent or find someone to move in. The rooms are single sex, sleep 6 (or is it 8?) and your roommates will be other westerners. They don’t like to put you in with Taiwanese people, or even foreign students from Asia.

There are restaurants on and off campus, and the immediate area has a somehow studenty feel. No bars, bookshops or anything to do in the area though. Taoyuan centre is 15 minutes on a regular bus, but that’s pretty boring too. There are regular (cheap) student buses into Taipei that connect with the MRT.

I left MCU 2 years ago, so my information about IC may be out of date. At that time, I would say that most western students in IC were broadly dissatisfied with their experience. Many administrative gripes and hassles, and very difficult to sort out when the uni admin people mostly don’t speak English, or are embarrassed to. Half or more IC classmates will probably be native Chinese speakers (many from Taiwan); lecturers are nearly all Taiwanese too, so the (often disfluent and inadequate) English teaching sometimes degenerates into Chinese. Lecturers are often unable to answer questions adequately. There will be 2 clear blocs in the classroom (1 foreign, 1 Chinese); it will be difficult for you and your girlfriend, especially without Chinese knowledge, to break through the cultural barrier and get to know locals.

You shoudl definitely get in touch with some current or former IC students before committing yourselves. Good luck![/quote]

Agree with this, I stayed my 1st year in gueishan and that place has nothing for foreigners, they mostly drink infront of 7-11. As said, only thing you can do is eat or go to taipei, you need to commute about 1h to taipei city. IC classes have got better, lots of foreign professors who seems to do quite well now, at least in tourism department. For the accommodation, basically you have two options, stay close to uni or buy a scooter and live in taoyuan city (i would not recommend commute from further without elite-driving skills :smiley: ). I at the moment commute 16km one way 4 times per week to my lectures, bc i cant stand to live in that place :smiley: Money transfer vice, you can use credit card to withdraw money, saves the hassle of wiring money from Finland to here, which costs about 15e per transfer depending on a bank.
Ofcourse, all of what i wrote are my personal opinions and experiences, you may like something different than me. I moved from Bangkok to Gueishan and disliked it immediately, but if you like quieter life maybe the place suites you.

Good luck,

J

Thanks for the answers.

Well I sure that even in Gueishan have more things to do than here in Finland. I’m currently studying in the “city”. Here is only 20k people in this town and originally I’m from countryside with less than 5k people.

I dont go to clubs so much anymore because I have a girlfriend, when I was single it was clubbing about four times/week, not it’s more or less three times/month. In this city we have only one “club” and it sucks. What is the best way to get Taipei when we are going out to party? And back to… for example to gueishan. How much taxi cost?

Welcome to forumosa.
Gwei-shan is not a bad place to live, once one gets off the beaten track. There are some wonderful places to go on day trips fairly close by. It’s on the fringe of the city, before the pass up to Linkou. There are some interesting mild elevations very close by, and from what I hear, an active snake-admiring community.

However, it should be noted that MCU, Taoyuan does not have a very good reputation. Especially with regards to their administration & so-called faculty.

Hi again,

Ok where to start? I had miss information about the campus, I will be studying in Taipei Campus. So I think there will be a bit more happeningn and events in Taipei.

The bad side of this is that Travel&Tourism is located in Taoyuan campus, becaus my girlfriend studies turism. But we decided that she will study Business management.

So how much is the rent of 1 room aparment with able to cook near the Taipei Campus? About 12000NTD?

Matti

More or less, that’s average. Maybe a bit more. The area around the university is not that nice -it is right across from the biggest night market in town, but you can live a bit further up on the MRT line, say, Tianmu. There is a big expat community there and you may find something in your price range in an older building, yet with more amenities and nicer environment -more parks, more bike trails.

Remember: only two months deposit, normally one year contracts are signed. If you go through an agent, negotiate the commission. Do a bit of search in the forums regarding rent hazards and what to expect.

Best of luck.

Hi everyone! :slight_smile:

I’m new in the forum and i have a question to the community. I hope you can help me.

This is my situation: I’m planning to apply to Ming Chuan International College, and they ask for an “application fee voucher” but there is not a single drop of information about where to do it (bank account information is inexistent or i’m looking for in the wrong places at all! :unamused: ). I have written to all available email addresses on the International College admision web pages, but it seems they don’t read their emails… so i want to ask if is there any current foreign student of International college who might have this data and share it with me?

(By the way i’m from Chile and my mother tongue is Spanish, so i do prefer ask in ‘written mode’ to avoid any possible mistake in the data)
Thanks in advance!

David.

Bienvenido a Forumosa, David.

Si, es dificil comunicarse por medio de emails, pero sigue, ellos tienen una oficina para asuntos de los estudiantes internacionales. BTW, hay muchos estudiantes latinos en esa universidad.

Y si, yo tampoco encuentro donde dice que hay que pagar el application fee. Los llame y me dijeron que puede pagar con bank draft, cash (billete) or check. El bank draft se envia a nombre de la Universidad Ming Chuan, International Division, Taoyuan Campus.

Tal vez la gente de la TECO en Santiago puede ayudar. Tiene que haber un educational advisor, que tal vez tengan mejor contacto con algun banco taiwanes en Chile, para mandar la plata. Buena suerte.

Translation for non-Spanish speakers:
I couldn’t find the info, either, so I called the International Division at Taipei campus, and they told me as follows: fee can be paid by bank draft, check or cash ( :doh: ). Or you can have a friend here go pay… :unamused:

Sitting in my class meeting right now at MCU I have to forewarn anyone coming here they will be extremely disappointed with their decision and will be angered every day by the asinine decisions made by the administration here.

For example, last saturday was the mandatory cheerleading competition from 10AM-6PM at Taoyuan campus, find your own way there. I did not go out of principle.

The only redeeming quality of this school is that it is somehow accredited in the US. I don’t know how this is possible.

This ‘university’ exists for the sole purpose of making money from Taiwanese who didn’t get into a good school, and they use the foreign students to draw in Taiwanese that ‘want to make foreign friends’. I could go on forever but my class meeting is going on and there is vital information about PE class being talked about that I must listen to.

Gracias Icon,

Finalmente obtuve respuesta desde la universidad. Tal como te indicaron a tí, la manera como ellos reciben el pago es vía correo postal. Es decir
debes enviarles en un sobre cerrado ya sea tanto el cheque o el efectivo. Me pregunto ¿porque no agregan ese detalle a sus folletos?, en fin :slight_smile:

Gracias por tu ayuda.


For non Spanish-people:

Thank you Icon,

Yeah, finally university answered my emails. The procedure is to send to them by post-mail either check or cash to pay the application fee.

Motius.-

mike – I went to one of the good schools and it’s pretty much the same. Schools are only getting in foreign students because the government gives them money, you don’t really learn much and I’m yet to talk to one student who’s been here for two years that doesn’t regret it education-wise.

I used to go to Zhengda so I know exactly what you mean. I transferred to Mingchuan because I figured if I’m gonna deal with this bullshit I might as well get an “American degree” and literally get paid every month.

I used to go to Zheng-Da so I know exactly what you mean. I transferred to Mingchuan because I figured if I’m gonna deal with this bullshit I might as well get an “American degree” and literally get paid every month.[/quote]
Way OT I suppose: what suggestions would you have for instructors and professors about making the courses or the programs more worthwhile? What makes international students feel the programs here are a waste of time? The first thing I think of is class size, but maybe that’s less of an issue than I imagine: however, it’s got to be a problem when English Lit majors write essays only in their composition classes, and never in their literature classes, because those classes have nearly two hundred students and no prof is going to mark 200 papers. Mixed levels are an issue as well: I’ve had “conversation” classes of 70 that ranged from Taiwanese unable to say much of anything to fluent Latin Americans. Poor kids. But the issues must be different in other departments.

Anyway, as a university instructor I’m a bit horrified by how many of my third year students have made apparently no progress since first year, and I’m curious what I could do to improve the experience in my own courses, if nowhere else.

I used to go to Zheng-Da so I know exactly what you mean. I transferred to Mingchuan because I figured if I’m gonna deal with this bullshit I might as well get an “American degree” and literally get paid every month.[/quote]
Way OT I suppose: what suggestions would you have for instructors and professors about making the courses or the programs more worthwhile? What makes international students feel the programs here are a waste of time? The first thing I think of is class size, but maybe that’s less of an issue than I imagine: however, it’s got to be a problem when English Lit majors write essays only in their composition classes, and never in their literature classes, because those classes have nearly two hundred students and no prof is going to mark 200 papers. Mixed levels are an issue as well: I’ve had “conversation” classes of 70 that ranged from Taiwanese unable to say much of anything to fluent Latin Americans. Poor kids. But the issues must be different in other departments.

Anyway, as a university instructor I’m a bit horrified by how many of my third year students have made apparently no progress since first year, and I’m curious what I could do to improve the experience in my own courses, if nowhere else.[/quote]

I talked with one of my Filipina professors after class and she explained to me the situation you guys are stuck in. She explained that the school more or less forces her to cater to the lowest students in the class. If the material is too difficult for the students, it isn’t the student’s responsibility to improve themselves, it’s the teacher’s fault for being too difficult. Hence the reason why my “Multimedia” 4 HOUR CLASS is literally using MS Paint to make animations then put it in a powerpoint presentation. We can’t learn Adobe because it’s “too complex for us”. It will probably be a required course next year. “Intro to copy pasting into Photoshop”.

I’m assuming you work at Tamkang, so it’s the same deal as Mingchuan. Private uni totally funded by sub-par TW students that want waiguo pengyou. You know, I get it to some extend, there are further education options for everyone. I just get so angry that somehow Mingchuan is “American” yet I feel like I’m in freshman year of high school. It makes me angry to think that my country that a pretty well developed education system respected the world over for producing some of the greatest minds our world has (…yes I know a lot of Americans are retarded, but the point remains that Harvard, Yale, etc. are some of the best schools in the world, and most state universities do a pretty good job, as well), and our name is being tainted by this garbage here. Our community colleges are better than this place.

As far as trying to improve your classes-- Don’t bother. Just take the Chinese approach. Wait until someone complains and then say mei banfa about how you can’t change anything, xuexiao guiding and all that crap. Nobody is going to reward you for improving your classes. The foreign students might be happier, but what will happen in the end is that we will carry all the weight, so the foreign students will just be angry. In group projects, who do you think does all the work? Foreign student runs the show while the Taiwanese students drag their feet until you force them to do something. They do it wrong somehow, and the foreign student just redoes it themselves. I refuse to work with the Taiwanese in group projects. All the foreign students cling to each other and the difference in quality between the work is astounding.

I know it sounds extremely negative, but there is no way you can change their habits and behavior in your 3 hours a week with the TW students. We are with them in every class and we still don’t make any headway. China has 5000 years of history and culture, remember?

There’s one TW professor in my department who the school could never fire (I think he knows too many secrets) and you should hear him lay into the Taiwanese students. I had a PR course with him last semester and he would continuously lay into them in Chinese about how Taiwan is losing to Mainland China now because of people like them not taking school seriously and being close minded. They would complain about how English isn’t their native language, and he asked me to repeat myself in Chinese after I say something in English to prove to them that language ability (or inability) shouldn’t inhibit your ability to think critically. What I really like about him is that he did all of this unapologetically and even told them “I don’t give a shit if you post bad things about me on Facebook, it just proves your immaturity because this is the truth and you need to hear it”. Whenever a TW student didn’t answer a question he asked he would go off on them in Chinese. I think more professors need to do that instead of giving the “辛苦你, you are trying your best!” bullshit excuse. Professors are supposed to help you grow as a person by giving harsh and real criticisms, not pretend like everything is great and everyone’s the best. Those are the professors I respect. I don’t need to be BFF with my professor.

Whenever I teach Engrish over the summer at camps I usually go off on them in Chinese when they give me stupid, obvious answers to questions that require more thought. Unfortunately, the Chinese are incapable at critically analyzing ANYTHING, a point that has been discussed a countless amount of times here.

To add onto that:

I had a teacher who ‘taught’ us flash by reading the text book (which we were required to buy, but I didn’t because I assumed I’d be learning in the class) and playing the example CD that came with the textbook. We didn’t use our computers once during the entire semester.

I had another teacher who’s idea of teaching was to call someone’s name off the roll, have them read the textbook (classical chinese, modern chinese, English translation), then repeat what they said, repeat what they said again by way of explanation, and then call the next student. This repeated for the entire semester. He also had no idea if you handed in your reports or not and I’m sure he didn’t even bother to look at the tests, because he just passed everyone with an arbitrary grade providing your attendance was good enough.

One more guy who spent the entire semester talking about how Taiwanese people should learn to think differently, but whenever asked ‘Don’t you think XX is wrong in Taiwan?’ would reply ‘That’s Taiwanese culture, you just don’t understand.’ No innovative thinking was done in his class really, I think he was just trying to get people to talk. It was called something like Society, Media and Communications and the entire semester consisted of groups voluntarily delivering presentations on any topic at all that they found interesting (for the foreigner groups they were pretty interesting but mostly half-assed, for the Taiwanese groups it was pretty much a lesson on the first two google search results).

I can give you more examples.

And oh God, I know what they mean about the group work. We didn’t do many in our regular classes, which was unfortunate because a few of the local students are actually very hard workers and appreciate good teachers.

As for what I think university professors should do - they should teach the material, for a start, and keep their political views/private lives out of the classroom. They should guide the student to ask questions and make links rather than simply providing them with all the answers. Reports and essays should have some guidance - ‘Whatever you like’ is not really a good subject. Reports and homework should be designed to encourage further research on topics touched on in class, but I think the starting blocks should be taught in class (I remember in Australia we were taught A, made to research E for a report, and tested on L and it was a bit frustrating - could’ve just been my school though). I think those are good things to consider.