MOD (Media On Demand)

Hinet provides a free fixed IP account to every user who asks for one.

You can apply for it online… then you get some smoking fast speeds.


[quote=“engerim”]CHT is trying to sell me MOD for months (together with VDSL, for the same price that I pay current 8M/640K ADSL).
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I don’t understand, if it’s the same price then how come you don’t just upgrade? Can there really be an advantage with sticking with ADSL?

The MOD programming isn’t great but hopefully one day they’ll put something on there that’s worth watching.

I moved to a new place and am contemplating NOT getting cable. Maybe pay for a few of the sports channels, but think the gf would get bored w/o TW television…and watching both CNN and the local news is useful sometimes.

[quote=“rocky raccoon”][quote=“engerim”]CHT is trying to sell me MOD for months (together with VDSL, for the same price that I pay current 8M/640K ADSL).
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I don’t understand, if it’s the same price then how come you don’t just upgrade? Can there really be an advantage with sticking with ADSL?[/quote]
They don’t use the same IP routing behind those networks. Here is a traceroute from a hosted server in France towards a VDSL IP (in Taichung) versus a ADSL fixed IP (in Hsinchu):

ADSL fixed (not too many hops). All European traffic still goes by the US though:

[quote=“ADSL fixed”] 1 217.70.191.252 (217.70.191.252) 0.417 ms 0.477 ms 0.576 ms
2 vl2.core4-d.gandi.net (217.70.176.132) 0.404 ms 0.467 ms 0.531 ms
3 reserved.above.net.43.141.79.in-addr.arpa (79.141.43.5) 0.267 ms 0.344 ms 0.339 ms
4 xe-4-0-0.mpr1.lhr3.uk.above.net (64.125.31.249) 7.654 ms 7.693 ms 7.728 ms
5 so-0-1-0.mpr2.dca2.us.above.net (64.125.27.165) 80.299 ms 80.336 ms 80.322 ms
6 xe-0-1-0.er2.dca2.us.above.net (64.125.27.29) 86.546 ms 86.342 ms 85.122 ms
7 xe-1-1-0.er2.iad10.above.net (64.125.26.242) 80.595 ms 80.612 ms 80.554 ms
8 above-uu.iad10.us.above.net (64.125.13.174) 80.593 ms 80.619 ms 80.644 ms
9 0.ge-5-1-0.XL3.IAD8.ALTER.NET (152.63.41.154) 83.653 ms 83.776 ms 83.710 ms
10 0.so-1-3-0.XL1.PAO1.ALTER.NET (152.63.50.205) 158.139 ms 164.142 ms 164.727 ms
11 POS4-0.IG2.PAO1.ALTER.NET (152.63.49.133) 156.836 ms 156.319 ms 156.296 ms
12 chungwa-telecom-gw.customer.alter.net (208.214.139.122) 159.803 ms 158.151 ms 158.221 ms
13 r01-s2.tp.hinet.net (211.72.108.202) 282.346 ms 282.352 ms 284.070 ms
14 220-128-4-250.HINET-IP.hinet.net (220.128.4.250) 284.821 ms 284.876 ms 283.124 ms
15 tp-crs11.router.hinet.net (220.128.3.30) 279.928 ms 280.016 ms 280.178 ms
16 hc-c12r1.router.hinet.net (220.128.1.89) 289.345 ms 287.620 ms 287.436 ms
17 hc-c76r1.router.hinet.net (211.22.38.81) 278.989 ms 280.741 ms 278.996 ms
18 h117.s90.ts.hinet.net (168.95.90.117) 285.376 ms
19 (is target)
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ADSL dynamic (too many hops). For some stupid reason its looping all around the US before arriving.
Timing is not bad though!

VDSL: Better then ADSL but bad performance inside the CHT network (overload?)

Times are roundtrip times in milliseconds.
Routing is asymetric. CHT doesn’t optimize anything. I did some email exchanges with NOC’s in Europe for the better for routing CHT’s AS Numbers more reasonable.
They are very willing to do it. CHT is not! Anyways it doesn’t matter cause we are more concerned for downloading right?

Packet loss wise I can also make you a small statistic using above’s CHT routers (this is ICMP though, no idea if TCP goes better):
Core router (before the final CPE) for ADSL Fixed: 168.95.90.117

ping -c 20 168.95.90.117

20 packets transmitted, 20 received, 0% packet loss, time 18999ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 283.802/284.961/300.464/3.634 ms

Core router (before the final CPE) for ADSL Dynamic: 168.95.91.205

ping -c 20 168.95.91.205

20 packets transmitted, 20 received, 0% packet loss, time 19034ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 287.312/287.531/288.082/0.478 ms

Core router (before the final CPE) for VDSL Dynamic: 168.95.148.89

ping -c 20 168.95.148.89

20 packets transmitted, 20 received, 0% packet loss, time 19126ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 297.811/299.630/307.536/2.859 ms

Its midnight now which is an advantage to CHT (people sleeping). Its much worse during the weekends!
So that’s why. I could make other stats to draw a real conclusion but I’ve found it already by testing, which is I won’t touch their freaking VDSL1. Maybe their VDSL2 is an option when they deploy it starting next year.
digitimes.com/print/a20090826PD205.html

Currently CHT has two suppliers, one is using Broadcom’s VDSL2 solution one is using Ikanos VDSL1 + VDSL2 solution.
Broadcom’s solution is more robust. They started with VDSL1 and Ikanos.

[quote=“rocky raccoon”]
The MOD programming isn’t great but hopefully one day they’ll put something on there that’s worth watching.[/quote]
Doubt that, seeing how CHT is running it :slight_smile:

Hehe, get cable if you can, that’s all I can say…
I did a trace route to the 217.70.191.252 IP address in the example above and I only have 16 jumps there…
Still got the same odd problem with the traffic going via the US though and I can of course not get MOD, but it’s not as if I care.
The cable “HD” box is also a load of crap right now, but maybe one day…

[quote=“TheLostSwede”]Hehe, get cable if you can, that’s all I can say…
I did a trace route to the 217.70.191.252 IP address in the example above and I only have 16 jumps there…
Still got the same odd problem with the traffic going via the US though and I can of course not get MOD, but it’s not as if I care.
The cable “HD” box is also a load of crap right now, but maybe one day…[/quote]
As I said its asymmetric. whats your IP so I can trace you back? :slight_smile:
It also depends a lot on luck. With CHT some sites will be crappy in ADSL, some in VDSL :slight_smile:
But overall in non-crappiness fixed ADSL IP seems the best.

MOD now has MGM Channel. :discodance:

Problem is my TV set’s remote went kaput, and the TV is so old -more than 10 years- that it is “unavailable”. And Chunghwa charges me 200 nts for moving the cable to the living room TV set -plus they are not too keen about it, they want my landlord’s approval. Geesh, what’s a few holes among friends? The house is almost 50 years old!

[quote=“Icon”]MOD now has MGM Channel. :discodance:

Problem is my TV set’s remote went kaput, and the TV is so old -more than 10 years- that it is “unavailable”. And Zhonghua charges me 200 nts for moving the cable to the living room TV set -plus they are not too keen about it, they want my landlord’s approval. Geesh, what’s a few holes among friends? The house is almost 50 years old![/quote]

MGM channel? Where? Doesn’t show up on mine…still the same old lame channels, though some in HD.

It is like 189 or something. Past the ETA channels, sandwiched between the new exercise channel and the “explanation in English on how to use MOD”.

Yep, I didn’t know about it until I saw this big ad at Chunghwa when I accompanied a friend to pay her phone bill.

[quote=“Icon”]MOD now has MGM Channel. :discodance:
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I’ve had MGM Channel with my cable box (not MOD) for a while now. It’s nice to have another choice, but the movies shown are horribly edited/censored. Tried to watch Rush last night, and it was butchered horribly.

[quote=“Icon”]It is like 189 or something. Past the ETA channels, sandwiched between the new exercise channel and the “explanation in English on how to use MOD”.

Yep, I didn’t know about it until I saw this big ad at Zhonghua when I accompanied a friend to pay her phone bill.[/quote]

I guess you must have to input the channel number directly, as when I press the channel up buttons they skip over.

It’s Channel 114, but you’re right: it is part of the Golden Package. 25nts a month.

mod.cht.com.tw/MOD/Web/content/c … 2ceef0a3ac

Nickelodeon also got added a few months ago. It’s somewhere near the Hello Kitty channel, We don’t really watch TV much, so never bothered about normal cable, MOD has sufficient channels you can always find something to watch (we now have the package with Fox and FX Crime too). Some of the movies are pretty good (select them from the menu). For some of the free channels (they call them ‘radio channels’) like BBC you need to add them from the menu like when you pay for channels, but it doesn’t charge you anything.

The website can be translated to a comprehensible level using the google ‘English’ button:
mod.cht.com.tw/MOD/Web/content/
individual channels also have their own websites with schedules etc.

We had some problems with programs cutting out and MOD having to be restarted, although we haven’t had anything like this for about 6 months or so now, and we’re always using the internet downloading stuff whilst watching TV.

I hope this is useful for someone.

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I guess you must have to input the channel number directly, as when I press the channel up buttons they skip over.[/quote]

I’ve had remote controls with a “channel sensor” thing on the menus somewhere you had to activate from time to time to pick up any recent changes, could that be it?

So, the old TV -10 years, poor thing- broke down. I took it to be fixed. It came back purring as a kitten but…

NO MOD. :astonished:

I call the service line. The guy is sure I cannot find the swtch between MOD and cable TV in my remote. :cry:

I tell him: yes, I already turned the box on and off, yes, I already unplugged the thing, yes, I checked all cables were in their respective color slots… Would I be calling you if I didn’t?! :fume:

Sometimes, folks, language barriers become the Grand Canyon of understanding. “What we have here is a failure to communicate…”

Now I’ll spend New Year without MOD movies. :cry: :cry:

So, two things, either you plugged it in wrong, it this means it’s time to get a new TV :smiley:
Them nice flat screen ones aren’t all that expensive any more… :wink:

Them nice flat panels can be killed by the cats faster than yu can say Bless you…

Yeah, I guess I unplugged it wrong, but for the life of me, I have no idea how. I mean, there are three prongs and two holes… :s

Uhm, we got to flat panel TVs and one of them had one of the cats sitting atop of it, no problem at all.

Maybe you should ask someone that knows their prongs from their holes to come and have a look :smiley:

A 5 kilo cat on a 2.5 kilo TV set? :ponder:

Yep, I need technical assistance, problem is I do 9 to 6 all week long, and next Saturday is New Year’s Eve, hence… :frowning:

In response to it skipping over channels - it skips over any channels you don’t have unless you put in the number directly. Then you should get the sensor box with an option to add the channel. Alternatively you can go to the menu where you add channels and add them from there (sometimes even for free channels you need to add them this way).

Guys, checked you received the MOD new year programming guide.