CS, you really want to get into a “Hall of Shame” thread? Start digging up cultural misdeeds and corpses?
I don’t; not without good cause.
There’s a point to giving injustice its due, but there’s more than enough skeletons buried in every culture’s closet to raise an ungodly stink that we’d all choke on.
Doubting that the above answer will satisfy you, there’s always this to consider…
muslims seldom get the chance to elect, time and time again, their assholes.
[quote=“Jaboney”]CS, you really want to get into a “Hall of Shame” thread? Start digging up cultural misdeeds and corpses?
I don’t; not without good cause.[/quote]
For 1600 years the Muslims have been doing to same thing to anyone not Muslim. It’s nothing new.
How very PC of you. Since Canada is accepting sharia law, maybe you’ll get a chance to learn first hand when you start having suicide bombers on your buses and find the corpses of 19 year old women, the victims of “honor killings”, on the streets of Burnaby.
[quote=“Jaboney”]Doubting that the above answer will satisfy you, there’s always this to consider…
muslims seldom get the chance to elect, time and time again, their assholes.[/quote]
Well, whose fault is that??? I wasn’t aware Muslims were all that excited about democracy. And by the way, Strom Thurmond wasn’t ever in the KKK…that was Senator Robert Byrd, the Democratic Senator from West Virginia…the Left’s posterboy.
A lot of muslims train their young to be assholes from a very early age.
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I fully support the right of these kids to own guns.
rightwingnews.com/quotes/leftwingracists.php
“Some junior high ngger kicked Steve’s ass while he was trying to help his brothers out; junior high or sophomore in high school. Whatever it was, Steve had the ngger down. However it was, it was Steve’s fault. He had the ngger down, he let him up. The ngger blindsided him.” – Roger Clinton, the President’s brother on audiotape
“You’d find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they’d just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva.” – Fritz Hollings (D, S.C.)
Blacks and Hispanics are “too busy eating watermelons and tacos” to learn how to read and write." – Mike Wallace, CBS News.
“Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.” – Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the “conscience of the Senate”, in a letter written in 1944, after he quit the KKK.
“I’ll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” – Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One according Ronald Kessler’s Book, “Inside The White House”
Indonesia is the very arsehole of the world. I feel very sorry for the poor bastards that have to live there amongst such scum, ordinary good law-abiding muslims included. Organising pogroms against Chinese and Christians is the national pastime. We were due another orgy of murder, torture, and raping in the name of Islam anyway - hasn’t been one for a while.
You have to go a long way to trump hacking the heads off three schoolgirls - done because their parents sent them to a Christian school. I can see no place for moral evuivalence in this. This does not become more or less reprehensible when viewed in a “context” of some other barbarity.
It will be forgotten soon enough though.
[quote=“Comrade Stalin”][quote=“Jaboney”]CS, you really want to get into a “Hall of Shame” thread? Start digging up cultural misdeeds and corpses?
I don’t; not without good cause.[/quote]
For 1600 years the Muslims have been doing to same thing to anyone not Muslim. It’s nothing new.[/quote]
Care to bone up a bit on your military history? How about comparing Saladin’s Siege of Jerusalem with that of the first crusade? Guess what? Bad things have been happening forever, but it ain’t always the other guys dishing out the worst of it.
[quote=“Comrade Stalin”]Since Canada is accepting sharia law, maybe you’ll get a chance to learn first hand when you start having suicide bombers on your buses and find the corpses of 19 year old women, the victims of “honor killings”, on the streets of Burnaby.[/quote] It isn’t. It’s been rejected. Will there be an attempt to try again? Probably, given that Christian, Jewish and native communities have been allowed, when all parties agree, to employ traditional means to pursue restorative justice. It’s a worry, but it won’t be allowed to contravene the Charter, so it’s a small worry.
[quote=“Comrade Stalin”][quote=“Jaboney”]Doubting that the above answer will satisfy you, there’s always this to consider…
muslims seldom get the chance to elect, time and time again, their assholes.[/quote]
Well, whose fault is that??? I wasn’t aware Muslims were all that excited about democracy. And by the way, Strom Thurmond wasn’t ever in the KKK…that was Senator Robert Byrd, the Democratic Senator from West Virginia…the Left’s posterboy.[/quote]
Whose fault is it that a man whose campain slogan when he ran for president in 1948, was ‘Segregation Forever’, continued to be reelected? Or that his views continued to be praised in 2002?
As for Robert Byrd, author of the “Continued Dumping and Subsidy Offset Act of 2000 - (Byrd Amendment)”, he’s hardly a hero of anyone where I come from.
Jozef Stalin, 1934-39: 13,000,000 people
Adolf Hitler, 1939-1945: 12,000,000 people
Mao Tze Dong, 1966-69: 11,000,000 people
Hideki Tojo: 1941-44: 5,000,000 people
Pol Pot: 1975-79: 1,700,000 people
Kim Il Sung, 1948-94: 1.6 million people
Menghitsu (Ethiopia) 1975-78: 1,500,000 people
Ismail Enver (Turkey, Armenians) 1915: 1,200,000 people
Charles DeGaulle (Algeria) 1954-1962: 1,000,000 people
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra) 1967-1970: 1,000,000 people
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan) 1979-1982: 900,000 people
Jean Kambanda (Rwanda) 1994: 800,000 people
Suharto (East Timor) 1976-98: 600,000 people
Saddam Hussein, 1980-1990: 600,000 people
[quote=“Jaboney”]
Care to bone up a bit on your military history? How about comparing Saladin’s Siege of Jerusalem with that of the first crusade? Guess what? Bad things have been happening forever, but it ain’t always the other guys dishing out the worst of it.[/quote]
I think I know military history just a little bit better that you and I don’t need to look it up in “wikipedia”. You seem to forget that prior to the Muslim invasions of the 7th century, the entire Mediterranean area was Christian. The Muslims managed to drive all the way to France before they were stopped. The Crusades were fought to liberate Christian territory from the Muslims. They were driven out of the Iberian peninsula until the 15th century. Go to any Muslim country and see the living conditions Christians/Hindus/Buddhists must endure before you say anything. Otherwise, you just spouting alot of worthless PC crap that means absolutely nothing.
The perpetrators of genocide have one thing in common. They all justified their mass murder by claiming that the religious/ethnic groups they were trying to eradicate were inherently, historically evil and had no right to exist.
Been there, thanks. Back to “first hand knowledge is all that counts” and “I’ve killed communists, and you haven’t, so stfu”? That’s nice. Wonderful cultural ambassador. I wonder if there’s a jihadist out there, somewhere, telling a moderate muslim, “Look, I’ve killed Soviets/ Americans, and I’ve lived in the West, and you haven’t, so stfu.” Oh, I know. There’s not going to be any ‘understanding’ reached… no political settlement; this is war, could only be war, will only end when they’re all dead, and the sooner I get out of your way… yadda, yadda, yadda… Vietnam, treason on the left… :blah:
And yes, I know that you ought to know something of military and political history… which is why you ought to know, as spook demonstrated, that bad happens all over (and that’s just in the 20th C). Tends to happen more often at certain times, and in certain places, but no culture’s purely good, nor evil, and you’ve demonstrated an ability to think in finer detail, so put the broadstroke brush aside when it comes to dealing with Islamic violence. It’s there. It happens. Why??? My muslim friends think this is all as nutty and heinous as we do… only in addition, they find it shameful that it’s done in the name of their religion, and will cite the Koran, chapter and verse, to make the point that such acts are explicitly forbidden. (Of course, most of them haven’t been to battle, and haven’t killed, so their opinions are of marginal relevance, right?)
(Btw, tell me, why is that someone who’s such a fan of the Google-search should look down on wikipedia? I didn’t need to look it up either, but I thought you’d appreciate the quickie links.)
All decent people have a moral obligation to be outraged at the horrific murder of those three schoolgirls in Central Sulawesi. The people that murdered them should be hunted down and brought to justice. We’re all in agreement on that.
It was individuals who committed the murders though and notwithstanding the fact that they see themselves as part of some greater movement and not individuals personally responsible for their own actions anyone who makes the same clouded moral judgement for whatever reason is part of the problem and not part of advancing the cause of real, lasting justice.
Finely stated. 
I’d like to know what and who inspired such a horror, but these butchers are responsible for their deeds; them, and those–if any–who sent them hunting. Nobody else.
[quote=“Jaboney”]Finely stated.
I’d like to know what and who inspired such a horror, but these butchers are responsible for their deeds; them, and those–if any–who sent them hunting. Nobody else.[/quote]
Yeah, right on, all nineteen terrorists died in the 9/11 attacks, therefore the U.S. had no reason or right to go after Osama bin Laden! 
Group hug time.
Sorry, quick draw, try reading it again… “these butchers are responsible for their deeds; them, and those–if any–who sent them hunting.”
Given the planning and financing of that horror, I think Osama bin Laden’s a legitimate target. (Not that we ever hear much about him any more.)
But if you really need a hug, MaPoSquid, you could do worse than these gals. 
Meanwhile in Jakarta, the voice of moderate Islam speaks through its children.
. . and is duly extended to other communities.
Pancasila in action:
Phuckers!!
Teenagers beheaded on the way to school
By Ade Rina and Tomi Soetjipto in Jakarta
October 31, 2005
Indonesian police stepped up security patrols yesterday in the Poso area of Sulawesi, plagued by sectarian violence for years, after three teenaged Christian girls were beheaded.
Six machete-wielding men attacked the 16 to 19-year-old students as they walked to school on Saturday on the eastern island, police said.
“So far no witness has been questioned and no suspect arrested,” a police spokesman, Made Rai, said from Poso, about 1500 kilometres north-east of Jakarta. A fourth student survived and had described the attack.
Mr Rai said about 1000 police, including reinforcements from other parts of the country, were securing the remote regency of Poso, with another 300 officers due to arrive yesterday.
The three headless bodies of the girls, dressed in brown uniforms, were left at the site of the attack. Residents found their heads at separate locations two hours later.
[quote]All decent people have a moral obligation to be outraged at the horrific murder of those three schoolgirls in Central Sulawesi. The people that murdered them should be hunted down and brought to justice. We’re all in agreement on that.
It was individuals who committed the murders though and notwithstanding the fact that they see themselves as part of some greater movement and not individuals personally responsible for their own actions anyone who makes the same clouded moral judgement for whatever reason is part of the problem and not part of advancing the cause of real, lasting justice.[/quote]
There seem to be an awful lot of these individuals in Indonesia. Presumably therefore there is a correspondingly huge number of outraged decent people who will ensure that this sort of thing doesn’t happen again and that the perpetrators will be brought to justice pass the spliff.
There’s something very very badly wrong with Indonesia. I am prepared to wager that even the maddest mad insurgent (or whatver they’re called) in Iraq would hesitate at cutting the heads off three Iraqi schoolgirls just because they went to a Christian school. Perhaps I’m wrong. I mean, in which other Muslim country would you see this? Does this happen in Syria or Iran or even Saddam’s Iraq?
[quote=“Miranda”]
There seem to be an awful lot of these individuals in Indonesia. Presumably therefore there is a correspondingly huge number of outraged decent people who will ensure that this sort of thing doesn’t happen again and that the perpetrators will be brought to justice pass the spliff.[/quote]
If there are, they haven’t done anything yet. The largest Muslim organziation in the world, Indonesia’s Nahdlatul Ulama still refuses to come out against the Jemaah Islamiyah terrorists and the Indonesian government still refuses to ban the JI.
Read a few weeks of The Jakarta Post and you’ll get sick.
I agree it is horrible Miranda, but I really can’t see much difference in the mindset in driving a carload of explosives into a market place to horrifically maim and murder countless innocents and lopping off a few schoolgirl heads. Really.
Mind you, it could be argued that lopping of the heads of your enemies is more akin with local traditions in Sulawesi . . . could it be that we just don’t understand headhunter culture?
HG
Just for clarification. In Saddam’s Iraq we had a peaceful coexistence of Christians and Muslims. Which was a Christian minority. Saddam did not really allow any extreme Islam action, he always opposed extreme Islamists and had only given himself a radical islamistic public relation to gain support in Arabia.
He forgot Bush can not see the difference 
Doesn’t mean Saddam was a good guy, he killed countless political opponents and gassed Kurdish people, whole villages.