🆔 New format for ARC/APRC number is not accepted--testing and reporting thread

It’s obviously not something you’d want to do with a bank account or anything important, but for something like booking a bus ticket (I’m not sure why you’d even need an ID number for this…), I wonder how illegal it’d be to simply subtract 7 from the second character (denoting gender) and fix the checksum (last character), then, if someone from the bus company complains, wing it and complain that their website isn’t working properly for foreigners’ government-issued ID numbers? The rest of the characters and details would obviously match, so they’d know it’s you.

Maybe it’s a bad idea. I remember reading somewhere about it being forbidden to use fake ID numbers, but as a workaround/form of protest…

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ID number is for collecting the ticket in person. Book online and then show them my booking and ID to collect the ticket.

I’d rather not risk it and somehow get my ticket cancelled and seat taken by someone waiting to fill in any empty seats. It’s pretty annoying though because typically when I’m forced to used my passport number staff often expect me to show my passport and get confused when I show my ARC…which has my passport number on it, as verified by the Republic of China govt. Then they usually need to call in back to the manager or boss to see if I’m allowed to show just my ARC for my passport number and usually it’s fine. It’s just a really annoying hassle.

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I suppose that makes sense yeah. I was thinking along the lines of a not-sold-out bus ticket still needing to be paid for, where it’d be easier to take the attitude of “that’s me and your system is shit, so fix the problem or you’re not getting my money”.

Thanks for the report.

I checked and it seems like

  • Chinese site - does not accept ARC at allaccepts old ARC format
  • English site - asks for passport number

https://identity.tw/ has been updated.

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The old A(P)RC format works on the Chinese website, but not the new one! :laughing:

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The check is server side
POST https://order.kingbus.com.tw/ORD/ORD_M_1510_OrderGo.aspx

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Anybody know how much the GT deposit is if you don’t have a guarantor? And, do they then deduct your monthly bill from that deposit, or do they just keep it until the contract ends?

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Well, when even the gov doesn’t update their own literature… according to the National Taxation Bureau istructions leafleet the ARC no is still 2 letters and 8 numbers… (just received this with my tax return form to be filled as I am self-employed)

Also, I might now understand where the morojic CTBC ID number for foreigners’ online banking comes from.

On this leafleet you can see that the taxpayers code no is 8 numbers and 2 letters composed as the western birthday of the taxpayer and then the first 2 letters of the name as reported on the passport… no one ever told me this, I just saw this now and it is completely pointless tbh, another number I guess NO ONE is aware of.

Did u know your taxpayer code number???

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Yup! I learned it when I had to use it to get a CTBC bank account. I got the CTBC bank account because I wanted to be able to pay my CTBC credit card online (the credit card was fairly easy to get, the bank account less so). However, I can’t pay my CTBC credit card with my CTBC bank account, because they’re linked to different ID numbers. So the CTBC account sits, useless, with a couple hundred NT in it. (And I set up my post office account to allow transfers to the CTBC visa, so I can pay the bill online that way.)

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I do pay my CTBC card online via CTBC account: I set the card as a beneficiary in the bank account and just remit the statement balance. Convenient? Not at all, but it’s CTBC, they don’t make many logical things

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The only time I came in contact with that code was when claiming my parents as dependents on my tax return. They don’t have an UI number in Taiwan as they’re not Taiwanese and live overseas. So I had to compute a taxpayer code for them.

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I’m old school. I pay my cc bills at the ATM when I go for my walks.

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And you could argue that it’s not fake because it is based on your real id number, just modified to work with an outdated widely used system.

Only usually? :thinking:

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Not specifically a new number issue, but the new mobile tax declaration app they released this year doesn’t work for foreigners. It says only national IDs supported.

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didn’t even know they have that, just filed mine and paid online via the website portal, all smooth.

I couldn’t give a toss about filing taxes with my phone personally, but it’s kind of a joke for the government to be releasing new software like this after forcing us all to get new numbers in purportedly the same format* for this very reason.

(*But not really - need to keep the ability to discriminate!)

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I was trying to use the phone because the lady at the tax office told me to use the phone app. But then after I tried it, it failed. So I have to wait in line. I never tried filing online, I don’t have a card reader and my phone isn’t registered to me (it’s a business line so I can expense it)

no need, you can file just with your ARC and passport number. I have the reader and the digital certificate, but it is so shite that I use it only with the credit centre to check my credit score.

https://efile.tax.nat.gov.tw/ifnw/en/index.jsp

here, just need to input all bio data manually.

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Oh I see, let me see if I get a cute or grumpy looking tax person and I’ll decide whether to file myself

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It took me 10 mins this morning, from opening the browser to paying online with credit card and getting the payment slip downloaded. Very easy and nice UI too, was impressed. My first tax declaration and payment in TW, even better than HK!

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For tax audit purposes I preferred the paper method a few years ago. If the local tax office stamps they approved certain income as AMT excluded income you can be sure they’re right. When you file online, the central tax office might play hardball and recategorize it.

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