New Toyota Wish Review

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Price range NT$729,000 ~ NT$865,000

The new Toyota Wish comes in four levels, models ‘J’, ‘E’, ‘E-Hi’ and the top of the range ‘G’.
All models come with a four cylinder 2.0 liter engine and all are equipped with a four speed automatic gearbox, BAS, EBD, electronic steering, electric windows and air conditioning.
The five door MPV has seven seats in all with the second and third row folding flat when needed to load all the paraphernalia a family can muster quite easily albeit for the hassle of having to work around the rear side hinged doors which become even more of a problem when parked along side other vehicles. Many other MPVs have done away with this issue by employing side sliding doors instead with even larger apertures for loading/unloading, which is something I would have expected Toyota to have caught up to by now with this second generation car and is a little disappointing.
The rear hatch access is simple enough though and the seats simple to fold and return. The third row seats are really temporary seats as occupants have to raise their legs to what will likely be an uncomfortable height with little room to spare on long journeys.
The front seats offer basic support for a driver and passenger and the driver’s controls are all within easy reach, making the driving position quite comfortable. The steering wheel adjusts for height as well as rake to make things just so. The driver’s front seat is electrically adjusted which seems to be the norm on upper models these days, but which I personally find more of a time waster than the manual adjustment on lower models. Perhaps that’s because there is a big height difference between me and my wife and any time I get in the car I wouldn’t expect to spend 30 seconds each time, waiting for the seat to move to the position I need it in.
Some effort has been spent to spruce up the interior of the vehicle to match the greatly improved exterior which borrows many lines and slashes from the Toyota Prius, but unfortunately there lies some poor choices in dash board design. The dash, although functional, displays two bulbous air vents very prominently in front of the driver as well as two squint shaped vents for the passenger which spoil the overall feel and flow of the front of the cabin. Things are no better in the ‘G’ top of the range model which also has the addition of a ceiling mounted venting system for rear passengers which emanates a cheap looking row of blue mood lighting.

The car I tested was the E-Hi version which comes in at NT$819,000 and is probably the best package of the group. It doesn’t come with the DVD and Navigation system found in the ‘G’ spec vehicle, but it neither comes with the rather pointless mood lighting either. At NT$46,000 dollars cheaper than the ‘G’ spec, you can pretty much take your pick of all the sat nav and DVD systems out there and you’ll still likely have some change in your pocket.
This would explain then why Toyota has chosen the E-Hi as the standard demonstrator model. They must also know that this will be the preferred vehicle for those who wish for all the comforts without the excess.

The chassis has been tweaked a little since the last model and the suspension handles bumps as well as the brakes handle stopping which is both reasonably well. There has been some additional effort in reducing the rear road noise that was prevalent in the older model and is slightly less so in the new one.
The electronic power steering in the new wish is easy to use and adjusts in stiffness as the speed picks up, but has a remote and dead feel, which takes away from the otherwise nice handling offered by the rest of its systems which also include both EBD (Electronic Brake Distribution and BAS (Brake Assisted Steering). These systems are a rework of older active yaw and electronic stability control systems found on some other vehicles.
The Wish is let down considerably by its standard tyres and I would expect to have to bargain an alternative set in with a deal on any new vehicle. The wheels don’t easily find traction when cornering under reasonably conservative power.

The automatic gearbox on all but the ‘G’ version operate as well as can be expected from a basic device and that’s just fine for a seven seater family car. Do stay away from the paddle shift on the top of the range model however as from experience the Toyota automatic boxes do not respond well to paddle inputs and become flustering and confusing very early on. Most drivers will no doubt prefer sticking to the standard D for drive slot and stick there.

Driving around town the view from the cabin was mostly unhindered and clear. Of course as with many modern vehicles the front ‘A’ pillars offer some narrow blind spots which are most noticeable when turning at intersections, even with small portholes fitted . This is a little disturbing at times if people can pop out from behind them whilst crossing the road. Unfortunately its also the price to pay in design when raising targets for crash protection to occupants and pedestrian protection from impacts. The E- Hi takes safety slightly into consideration on the inside with two front airbags . Toyota is still lacking in the airbag department though with most of their models in Taiwan coming with far fewer bags than are found on foreign models. The Wish is also equipped with ISOFIX child seat mounting points. It does not have the option of disabling the front airbag though.

Power delivery in the Wish is handled rather predictably and of course without too much pizzazz as the only single engine available is the 1987cc four cylinder twin cam dual VVT petrol engine which claims to produce up to 141ps at 5,600 revs and pushes a 1,415kg vehicle. Again this won’t matter much to most users who predictably only use their vehicles for city and highway driving. This isn’t a car that really needs a bigger or more powerful engine considering its dimensions and typical users needs.

Overall the Toyota will no doubt be a marketing success, but this isn’t to say it’s necessarily the best small MPV out there. Selling Toyotas in Taiwan has always been a doddle as long as they have always nailed the main selling points in a Taiwan market which are reliability, reasonable fuel consumption and good residuals.
Within the past five years though things have begun to change with stronger sales in the much-improved Mazda brand. Indeed the Mazda 5 still seems to have the advantages over the Toyota with its more practical interior space and side sliding doors, as well as sharp styling. Its residuals so far have also been extremely strong as even used models are in high demand. It will be interesting to see if Toyota still maintains its top spot in Taiwan in the coming years considering the growing strengths of its other Japanese rivals.

The Toyota Wish then; a nice car to be in and certainly looks and drives better than the old model as well as some others. It still isn’t quite as usable as a Mazda 5 though and so it still doesn’t quite take top spot in the small MPV category. If only Toyota could catch up and change those side rear doors!

I’m always impressed by the depth of impression you get from a vehicle from one test drive… very perceptive and great attention to detail. I wish I’d given you longer in the WRX so you could tell me what kind of car I bought.

As to the Wish, this is one of those vehicles I never park next to. As in never, ever. I’ll circle again or go to another parking lot if the only space is next to a Wish. A Wish always has kids or clumsy, spatially-challenged adults in the rear seats, the kind that cannot open a door slowly and without dinging the car parked next to them, or knocking a pregnant woman passer-by flying.

[quote=“redwagon”]I’m always impressed by the depth of impression you get from a vehicle from one test drive… very perceptive and great attention to detail. I wish I’d given you longer in the WRX so you could tell me what kind of car I bought.

As to the Wish, this is one of those vehicles I never park next to. As in never, ever. I’ll circle again or go to another parking lot if the only space is next to a Wish. A Wish always has kids or clumsy, spatially-challenged adults in the rear seats, the kind that cannot open a door slowly and without dinging the car parked next to them, or knocking a pregnant woman passer-by flying.[/quote]

Same here!!!
I avoid all those mpvs like the PLAGUE, just yesterday i nearly flipped out at a housewife who swung her door at my car without any care :fume:
She just missed my door by a hair, she just swung it out without holding and i was lucky for it not to hit my car.

I looked at the wish over a year ago and thought it was a pile of crap, i couldnt understand the range as the entry level seemed identical without the DVD but 200k less… weird.

Great review, sulavaca. Thank you! :bravo:

Spot on. Its rather an expensive DVD player. In most cars for that much more money you would see an entirely different engine and gearbox arrangement.

[quote=“smellybumlove”]I avoid all those mpvs like the PLAGUE, just yesterday i nearly flipped out at a housewife who swung her door at my car without any care :fume:
She just missed my door by a hair, she just swung it out without holding and I was lucky for it not to hit my car.

I looked at the wish over a year ago and thought it was a pile of crap, i couldnt understand the range as the entry level seemed identical without the DVD but 200k less.[/quote]
The 200k is largely for the OSSI system. (Overriding Sense of Self-Importance). :wink:

Speaking of the DVD player, this is the other thing that makes me avoid them. When I come up behind one on the freeway and there is a movie on the screen I know full well that Ah Huang is watching the movie instead of the road.

A friend of mine owns a new Ford Imax and i’m still wondering why anyone would want to buy wither the Imax, the Mazda 5 or Wish…They don’t have any positive performance aspects vs what they are aimed at being used for. Not to mention the cheapest low level quality in all of these Taiwan produced for Taiwan market ‘get along gang’ vehicles that take up important space in the limited space cities. They command a hefty price in Taiwan for what you get. Flimsy interiors with useless features and tons of vehicle badging that can have the option of being lit up in 40 different colors…wow! And add to that the size of these vehicles and the immediate impression it gives to local drivers that they are driving an 18-wheeler, and thus they maneuver them accordingly :loco:

Well I would say that the Mazda 5 and Wish are useful in some ways, such as when you want to lug around bicycles, boxes and occasionally a few extra people. You have to need the extra space inside however as otherwise it can be a disadvantage over a decent medium or small hatch. Estate cars have unfortunately given over to these taller vehicles as people seem to prefer the higher ride, whether its because of a sense of safety or road view.
At least the Mazda has a road car chassis and drives reasonably for a car of its size. The Toyota also drives well, but with different mannerisms. Performance aspects are not usually important for a lot of users in cities here, but they do like to at least feel like their cars are powerful by having large figures represent them on paper and all the adornments that go with the ‘performance’ look, such as alloys, spoilers and lights of course.
The i-Max as I stated a while ago somewhere else is just a bad option. The i-Max is about twenty thousand cheaper than a Mazda 5 when new, but devalues much, much quicker. It is a Taiwan only build and thus has questionable quality and of course component availability is not as common as for the vehicle which it clones. I don’t know the reason why people purchase them, but I’m sure it will have comething to do with penny pinching. It really is a question of saving pennies and blowing pounds though with that one.

That it in a nutshell is what Ah Huang wants. Pointless bling and size enough to bully other road-users into giving way.

Almost completely off topic but I saw one of the new Luxgen MPVs last night being driven by exactly the person I imagined owning one. I swear I could have given you his mugshot in perfect detail before Luxgen even put the finishing touches on their blueprints.

Imagine a guy in his 40s with a cheesy brown leather jacket, bad teeth and shades. He is so rich he can blow $1m on this bad boy and wants everyone to know it (after selling the Savrin and interest free credit of course). Driver side window down, leaning casually against the window frame and tapping his cigarette in a way that says ‘I’ve made it’. He feels the wind on his balding head as he pushes the gas to unleash that monstrous inline 4 engine.

Luxgen - Luxury, Genius, 58 Kaoliang.

Sulevacca -
Good review. I hope to see more as you develop your technique and find your voice.

I say though, you lot do seem to have a lot of anger and condescension towards the everyday Taiwanese folks.

Maybe its just more of that “taking a piss” thing that some find so useful?

Well, I’m sorry, but I simply don’t find sulavaca’s reviews to be of much use. As far as i can tell (and admittedly I haven’t read ALL his posts, although a fair few) he likes the March and the Solio and maybe the CRV. The rest tend to be so badly panned that you begin to wonder, maybe there’s just NO cars that are worth the cash. I can agree with THAT, for sure, but come on, dude!

Perhaps its my Britishness shining through, but I actually tend to test out the cars which I believe make the best runabouts for most folks. You can perhaps read some of the short to the point reviews I have on the site: Here. It tends to be my style that I am sarcastic towards elements such as tack, but praising of the more practical attributes of a vehicle. Indeed I have included the March in a number of comments regarding good value for money vehicles. It is mainly due to a common question which keeps cropping up which is which car to purchase for a limited budget.
Your comment is noted however and I will endeavour to throw in some “gee wizz-es” and some “spiffings” into future reviews to balance the feel a little. I am still working on my writings and of course it helps to understand the people who read them. Its rather difficult in Taiwan to write reviews as there are such a cross section of differing cultures who read and comment.

I guess you haven’t watched much top gear then? No matter how neutral a reviewer wants to be, there will always be some bias that makes it’s way into a review. Sometimes it’s more obvious ( road & track or car & driver are good examples) in their personal views. However, I do appreciate sulavaca’s effort to put together something for a potential car buyer. It might not meet everyone’s criteria for a review but it can be useful to some.

Haven’t watched ANY. What’s Top Gear?
Thing is, I’m in the market for new wheels, and old Sulavaca is basically saying there’s nothing worth buying, which is a bit of a bummer, really, because I kind of trust him.

Agree, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of meat & potatoes to the review, at least not from a technical perspective which is what i would expect from our resident expert.

Agree, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of meat & potatoes to the review, at least not from a technical perspective which is what I would expect from our resident expert.[/quote]

Okay, okay. I’m working on it.

I’m also in the market and I’ve been thinking about the new Wish. I actually like it a lot. Not as much now that I read this review but I appreciate sulavaca’s input. I especially appreciate the info regarding the gearbox on the G version because that’s the one I was thinking about. The Mazda 5 is also nice, but it’s not a Toyota. My current Camry has done us well for the last five years and the one before that also. I’d like to stick with what has worked for me, but maybe it’s time to try something different.

I have updated the review in the first post. Perhaps I can take time out, have a cup of tea and pull some rounds out of my chest. :aiyo: Where are my pliers?


I can fully understand why people prefer the trusty old Toyota brand. Its bullet proof and dependable. Its also a bit dull though at times. Your Camry is actually my favourite generation and if you ask me is better than the new one. I would still personally go for a used one in the last generation rather than be offered a new one for even the same price. The last one was more refined, had a more uniform interior without too many clashing materials and I don’t know why but seems to drive better. I think its the lack of paddles for the gearbox for one and confusing display that shows you your gears back to front found in the new one.

I would say you have to start ticking boxes with the Wish though and check your ticks against the Mazda. You get more kit in the Mazda and far better interior access. The chassis is stiffer in the Mazda although it has slightly more road noise (mostly curable if you know how). The interior plastics are a bit better in the Toyota, but not really noticeably so and the Mazda has the less bumpy, lumpy dash panel. You need not buy a brand new one of course if you don’t want to. There are a few used vehicles around in both camps. The Mazdas are more sought after though it seems and have held their prices surprisingly well.

Thanks for the review, sulavaca! :slight_smile:

Are you talking about spraying foam on the underbody or something? Just curious. And is that kind of service available?