Precisely. We’re just looking at another manifestation of Taiwan’s high journalistic standards. To wit, from today’s Taipei Times:
Doesn’t THAT sound familiar?
In spite of the media frenzy, we do know the allegations of psychological problems, that she skipped court appointments both in the US and at Taichung District Court, that she violated a court order barring her from leaving the US, and that she lost custody. But that’s what you have to dig into the story to find out - and it’s not the way the story is being reported on television here all day long.
The media spin here is going something like this. Bad foreign man is steal Taiwan little girl! Bad, bad foreigners - they is either grab Taiwanese girl ass or grab Taiwanese girl! Poor mother is never get see own daughter again
Taiwanese mother Ms. Juan Mei-fen;
the father, Mr. Carrey Sartin. [THE CAST]
Ms Juan, 40, is saying that she did not know Sartin, 55, was married to another Taiwanese woman, to whom he is still married, and only found out after Emily was born. Sartin appeared after baby born, day after, and tried to take Emily away from her mother. Juan brought her daughter back to Taiwan even though with the ongoing custody battle, the U.S. court had prohibited Juan from leaving the country with the child. [ILLEGAL]
Thereafter, Sartin filed a lawsuit against Juan for kidnapping Emily and a U.S. court ruled in Sartin’s favor this year, granting him custody of Emily. The Taiwan court also verified the validity of the U.S. ruling, which allows Sartin to physically take Emily away from Juan. [HE WINS]
In the mother’s defense, Democratic Progressive Party Lawmaker Lee Chen-nan said that Juan was justified in bringing her daughter back to Taiwan as she feared losing her daughter. [BUT ILLEGAL]
Lee criticized the Taiwan court for allowing Sartin to take Emily away from her mother without giving Juan an opportunity to argue in her own defense. [TOUCHE!]
The legislator also accused Sartin of adultery with the aim of procreating, as Sartin and his wife had been married for years but have not been able to produce a baby. {DOUBLE TOUCHE!]
Juan said Sartin has no experience and no ability to take good care of Emily, claiming that Sartin sometimes watched pornographic films in front of Emily, and that in living with Sartin, Emily has often suffered injuries from poor care. [THIS ADULT VIDEO CLAIM SOUNDS CANNED!]
by the way, something like this recently happened in Japan, with a Japanese woman coming back to Japan from Canada with her child, and the father in Canada, a Canadian, went to court and won custody. But guess what?
Japan system allows baby to stay with mom, even though she is a wanted crmininal in Canada. Japan protects their own. Taiwan doesn’t. Or are things changing?
Precisely. We’re just looking at another manifestation of Taiwan’s high journalistic standards. To wit, from today’s Taipei Times:
Doesn’t THAT sound familiar?
In spite of the media frenzy, we do know the allegations of psychological problems, that she skipped court appointments both in the US and at Taichung District Court, that she violated a court order barring her from leaving the US, and that she lost custody. But that’s what you have to dig into the story to find out - and it’s not the way the story is being reported on television here all day long.
The media spin here is going something like this. Bad foreign man is steal Taiwan little girl! Bad, bad foreigners - they is either grab Taiwanese girl ass or grab Taiwanese girl! Poor mother is never get see own daughter again
Eric–just hold with your claims of racism and see what happens. This is now a legal issue and will be decided by the courts, not Taiwanese ‘racism’.
According to news reports today, Ms. Ruan has filed an injunction to prevent the father from removing the child from Taiwan until Ms. Ruan has had a chance to file a suit for custody in Taiwan. The accompanying analysis says that she will be denied custody, but that the process will take several months. Doesn’t look like the father will be able to take the child to the US immediately.
The result is that both sides, as in the Iruan case, are acting in their own interests, not the child’s.
Whatever the case about their relationship in the beginning, Taiwan and US courts have both awarded custody to the American. Ms. Ruan had her chance to fight for custody and blew it. She broke the law by taking the kid out of America against court order. She doesn’t show up for court dates. I’m not buying the excuses why either. Now she’s claiming he made his kid watch porn with him?! My god, she does have psychological problems! Her appearance in front of the media only makes her look more nuts. I just don’t feel for this woman. She is a nutjob.
The latest I heard was that he is on a plane with Emily for Seattle or LA between 4:20 and 6pm tonight. Taipei Times has a fairly updated story currently online.
I think this is a very significant detail.
But later, in the same article it says:
Girl born in the USA, she’s an automatic US citizen. How did Momma come up with a Taiwan passport for the girl while she was living in the USA? TECO office issue it to a minor US citizen on Mommys request?
What about her US citizenship status?
This is a big web of intrique.
[quote=“TainanCowboy”]
Girl born in the USA, she’s an automatic US citizen. How did Momma come up with a Taiwan passport for the girl while she was living in the USA? TECO office issue it to a minor US citizen on Mommys request?
What about her US citizenship status?
This is a big web of intrique.[/quote]
I don’t understand your point. Of course they issue her a Taiwanese passport. She’s also automatically a Taiwanese citizen by virtue of the fact that her mother is Taiwanese.
The de facto US and UK embassies here issue passports to minor Taiwanese citizens born here. Why shouldn’t TECRO do the same?
Inaccurate. A US court awarded custody to the father. The Taiwanese court has accepted that judgment but has not rule on custody. Ms. Ruan is apparently going to try to contest custody in a Taiwanese court.
That’s certainly true.
Don’t know aboutthat. The Chinese-language media seems to think that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has said she isn’t going anywhere until the courts have decided whether to issue an injunction.
Local TV media as of 4pm this afternoon were already mentioning a flight to Seattle at 16:20 that this American guy and his daughter might be leaving on. Around 5pm, they were talking about a flight at 18:20. It is still just speculation, but I’d be awfully surprised if this guy doesn’t get out of Taiwan with his daugher in the next 12-24-48 hours. This Ms. Ruan is making a complete ass of herself with her ridiculous allegations and story in general, and expecting the law to work for her after she didn’t comply with it in the first place. I don’t feel sorry for her. And in the end, if the guy gets out with his daughter, he’ll be chastised by the media and locals alike.
[quote=“Feiren”][quote=“TainanCowboy”]
Girl born in the USA, she’s an automatic US citizen. How did Momma come up with a Taiwan passport for the girl while she was living in the USA? TECO office issue it to a minor US citizen on Mommys request?
What about her US citizenship status?
This is a big web of intrique.[/quote]1. - I don’t understand your point. Of course they issue her a Taiwanese passport. She’s also automatically a Taiwanese citizen by virtue of the fact that her mother is Taiwanese.
2. - The de facto US and UK embassies here issue passports to minor Taiwanese citizens born here. Why shouldn’t TECRO do the same?[/quote]
Re: #1. - I did not know that for a fact. Not knowing that I would never assume that TECO in the USA would ‘automatically’ do anything.
As anyone who has dealt with a TECO office in the USA can attest, the only constant is confusion and ambiguity as to what their actual duties are.
As I stated, the girl is born in the USA and that confers the status of US citizenship on her no matter her mother nationality or legal status in the USA. The only exceptions to this rule, of which I am aware, is if a child is was born in/on the Embassay grounds of a foreign nation in the USA. That is legally considered foreign soil.
Re: #2 - Not relevant in this case. We are speaking of a birth which occured in the USA on USA soil.
Like I said - a web of intrigue. Good stuff for a TV special.
I don’t think he gives a rat’s ass about what some “taike” journalist or politico thinks about him. If some local people are too stupid to realize this woman has mental problems and want to support her without looking at both sides, they deserve to be be made to look like idiots as well.
All the more entertainement for those of us watching the news – and this is damn important.
I don’t think he gives a rat’s ass about what some “taike” journalist or politico thinks about him. If some local people are too stupid to realize this woman has mental problems and want to support her without looking at both sides, they deserve to be be made to look like idiots as well.
All the more entertainement for those of us watching the news – and this is damn important.
Well said Chewycorns.
It really annoys me that many people will think ‘oh, that poor woman, the rotten American is taking her daugher away’. I was disgusted seeing Ms. Ruan at the airport in yesterday’s news footage yelling out ‘Emily, who loves you most?’. What a disgrace. And then she gets a few PFP politicians to support her at a news conference today with them saying ‘Taiwan needs to protect its citizens’. Sorry folks, Emily has an American passport.
Yes, at least AIT does and up until a couple of years ago it was the only way to get my half Taiwanese children a passport. The Taiwan government didn’t allow what they referred to as my “half breeds” to claim ROC citizen ship an even threatened to deport my new born son for entering the country illegally via his Taiwanese mother’s womb.
That changed a few years ago. Now we are not allowed to take my newborn daughter out of Taiwan unless she has a Taiwanese passport.
AIT fully complies with the local authorities demands and requires that my children’s mother give written consent before they will give my children a US passport because they were born in Taiwan.
If that policy is reciprocated in the US and I believe it is, then the mother would have had to forge the husbands signature to get her daughter a Taiwanese passport in the US.
If that is the case then the mother and the local TECO office could be seen as conspirators in an international child kidnapping of a US citizen from US soil.
Seeing that TECO is not an embassy and not afforded diplomatic protection, this case does not bode well for Taiwan any way you look at it.
At the very least the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is looking at a multi million dollar law suit and possible criminal charges in the US.
My guess is that they will be on that plane tonight with best wishes and apologies from the local authorities.
The Taichung District Court has denied Ms. Ruan’s request for an injunction against the father on grounds that the Taipei District Court has jurisdiction. This does not augur well for Ms. Ruan since the Taipei District Court already issued an order turning the girl over to her father. Her legal options are running out more quickly than I would have thought…
Eric: If they had been married or paternity recognized, TECRO would have asked for the father’s permission. We just don’t have the facts here.
In what way is he her ‘‘father’’? He cheated on the side on his wife for a few free fucks of this once beautiful woman, and then he finds out he made a baby by accident, and suddenly claims her for his own. It’s the mother’s daughter, she gave birth to her. It’s the father’s love child. Aren’t they both acting desperate?
Why all the criticism of her, and none of him? [and what does his real wife have to say about all this? Maybe the local newspapers in the USA will interview them there and we can hear their side of the story. It might be very revealing. and sure enough, TVBS in NYC will be hot on the story tomorrow as will APPLE A DAY and Next Magazine.
A greek tragedu unfolding, and maybe with a happy ending?
I would withhold judgment until we know all the facts…
Again, look at my earlier post, in Japan, this same thing happened but the Japanese govt stepped in and said the kid stays in Japan, for now. I don’t know if that is fair or just, but just an example from Asia.
Apparently also, ‘‘the woman’s father is rich
and powerful’’, whatever that means…
2006-05-08 …19:39 PM update
Taipei, May 8 (CNA) – A two-year-old child who has entered Taiwan with a Republic of China passport may not leave the country without that passport, the spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA) said Monday.
You’re speculating. We have no idea what happened. Maybe she was a surrogate. I don’t know if you ever did Sunday School as a child, but I remember Abraham, Sarah and Hagar had an “arrangement” that didn’t end that well - the other woman, Hagar, was also driven off, IIRC. Morality is relative, anyway. Some people function well within “open” marriages.
We haven’t heard from him yet, so it’s tough to criticize. It’s easy to criticize her, because she has already given her account of events.
