NEWS STORY: Taiwanese/US Custody Battle

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[quote=“Chewycorns”]

And, from my limited understanding of the law :blush: , being properly served in Taiwan is a very difficult task for a foreign entity or person. It requires the person bringing the charges to get approval from certain ministries here in Taiwan. There are often huge waiting times for this approval process. If the whole process is not completed in a year, the charges are dismissed. The whole thing is a very bureaucratic affair involving a lot of red tape. The exisiting system deters outsiders and foreigners from bringing forth these kind of charges in Taiwan.[/quote]

Service in Taiwan as in other civil code jurisdictions (Italy, Germany, Japan etc) is a bitch. But it does not require approval from ministries. It is equally difficult for Taiwanese and it is misleading to say that this deters foreigners from bringing actions in Taiwan.

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My wife said she saw somthing on the news that showed the child’s brith certificate states …“Father unknown”.
So this is how she could have legally gotten a Taiwan passport.
Government apparently clear on that.

In case anyone else is curious why he is getting a U.S. passport when he obviousely had one on the first day at the airport.
It was refused because it had no entry stamp on it.
China post reports today that he got it himself in New York. This is why he is getting one at AIT today.

What I find interesting is how he is going to get an ARC for her.
I think first she’ll need a physical, then a resident certificate and finally -quite probably… a copy of the Hu-Ko? I can see that running into a few snags if the mother has somehoe moved the daughters name off the Hu-Ko and onto a relatives…if this is possible.

One more thing ,…interesting how the court can manage to give an order to remove the child from the mother but not the child’s passport.

Anyway, I think this thing needs to be slowed down a bit and the local courts review the case and decide if she had been given a fair court hearing in the U.S. We still no few details about why she “skipped” court.

My feeling is it would have been better for the child if he were to just take everything to court here and settle for having the child sent over to him on school holidays. Seems he could have won that quite easily.

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How can the guy be refused for not having a stamp on the girl’s passport, when she was illegally smuggled into the country in the first place?

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The passport he had , had no entry stamp. Immigration technicalities. Any traveller has to show how they entered. He can’t show that without the Taiwan passport she entered on.
She entered on a valid and legal Taiwan passport…not considered as being smuggled in as far as immigraton procedures go.
Immigration only has to follow routine entry and exit procedures and this is what it all hinges on for now. This is why he’s trying to pull it off with an ARC now, however I’m not sure that approach will get him through if he still doesn;t have the Taiwan passport.

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If the U.S. courts have awarded custody to the father, and the Taiwanese courts have upheld that decision, and the mother is withholding the passport, how is it that the Taiwanese immigration office can avoid simply issuing another passport for the child (and invalidating the original) or some other special exit document in order to comply with the decision of the Taiwanese court? It would seem to me that, provided the Taiwanese immigration office has been asked for a new passport or exit document by the father, that office would be guilty of obstruction of justice if they did not enable the father to exit with the child.

What am I missing?

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[quote=“seeker4”]If the U.S. courts have awarded custody to the father, and the Taiwanese courts have upheld that decision, and the mother is withholding the passport, how is it that the Taiwanese immigration office can avoid simply issuing another passport for the child (and invalidating the original) or some other special exit document in order to comply with the decision of the Taiwanese court? It would seem to me that, provided the Taiwanese immigration office has been asked for a new passport or exit document by the father, that office would be guilty of obstruction of justice if they did not enable the father to exit with the child.

What am I missing?[/quote]

You foreigners just don’t understand Chinese culture.

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It’s amazing how so many people are jumping to conclusions. We haven’t heard from the father directly yet. Or the wife back in the USA. What on Earth is this all about?

Surrogacy?
Adultery?
Racism?
Ethnocentrism?
Sloppy news reporting?
Yellow journalism?
Tabloid sensationalism?
A childless couple wanting a baby from a jilted lover?
A love triangle?
Postpartum depression?

It’s not over 'til the fat lady sings. Or signs. Wait.

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[quote=“Cola”]Sloppy news reporting?
Yellow journalism?
Tabloid sensationalism?
[/quote]
Those.

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[quote=“Cola”]It’s amazing how so many people are jumping to conclusions. We haven’t heard from the father directly yet. Or the wife back in the USA. What on Earth is this all about?

*Adultery!

It’s not over 'til the fat lady sings. Or signs. Wait.[/quote]

It has now been confirmed by the US lawyer, Michael Taylor. Cary and Nadia had an affair, four or five years ago, the wife Mrs. Sartin knew about it later and now forgives her husband, and has agreed to raise little Emily as her own. She’s about 50. Cary’s 55. Nadia’s 40. Emily’s 3.

It was just a mere matter of adultery (what a stupid word that is, as if it is something only ADULTS do!, like ADULT videos, and don’t get me started on ILLEGITIMATE children, born out of wedlock, WED LOCK?, they are NOT illegitimate, they are as legit as night and day. Little Emily is not an illegitimate child, and so far the media has not used the word, but soon they will.).

Cary told TVBS via his highly paid attorney Mr Taylor Esquire that when Nadia was 5 months pregnant, she tried to commit suicide in NYC, and quote “Is that a fit mother?” “is that someone who wanted to raise her baby?”

So good reports with quotes in English from the major players today on TV.

AND THIS JUST IN: FROM TVBS NEWS: Nadia Ruan was a escort hooker in NYC as well, according to Lawyer Tayor: she has a website callde JULIE CUTIE with photos of her in all kinds of deshabille…and hourly rates posted too: 400 greenbacks for an hour romp in the New York hay.

Her goose is cooked now. Maybe she met Cary as an escort hooker or maybe she worked at his family’s spa as a masseuse, and one thing led to another. Without the wifey knowing a thing, until…all hell broke loose.

I wonder if the US newspapers are covering this non-scandal?

Unless the APPLE DAILY can rescue her from this one!

Note: this is the business the Sartins run in NYC: founded in 1945 by Cary’s mother.
sartin.com/new_york_spa.html

BIO: ''The Janet Sartin Institute. Janet Sartin founded the Institute in 1945 and retired ----- years ago, handing the business over to her son Cary Sartin…". …

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Got a link!!??

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[quote=“Hongda”][quote=“Cola”]
AND THIS JUST IN: FROM TVBS NEWS: Nadia Ruan was a escort hooker in NYC as well, according to Lawyer Tayor: she has a website callde JULIA CUTIE with photos of her in all kinds of deshabille…and hourly rates posted too: 400 greenbacks for an hour romp in the New York hay.
[/quote]

Got a link!!??[/quote]

[Hongda, you just joined this forum today? Welcome aboard. Are you a journalist, maybe? Which paper do you report for?]

answer: cannot find a link yet. God knows, I looked! But if you watch the TV news this afternoon or evening, maybe the FTV English news will have it, you will see the lawyer Mr Taylor holding up what are allegedly screenshots of a former website where JULIACUTIE posted her info and photos, and hour rates. I saw it on TVBS this morning news. It will be repeated all day, I am sure.

However, i have googled and googled, and cannot find a website that links directly to this JULIA CUTIE the lawyer spoke of and showed incrimianting evidence, just a lot of Latin JULIA CUTIE links. I guess those links are now down. But the lawyer showed screen shots today on TVBS from his office in NYC where he was interviewed in English by a TVBS reporter. Maybe someone later can find a mirror site or cache site somewhere. She was not nude or naked in any of the photos, just dressed…provocatively and cutie cute. It appeared to be a DIY escort service of her own, or maybe she worked with some other friends in the trade.

Then again, this could all be a smokescreen by the lawyer. He looks reputable, though, so I don’t think he would make such a charge up.

What he said on TV was this: “All I ask is that everyone judge this case on its merits and facts, don’t take Mr Sartin’s word or Ms Ruan’s word, but let the facts speak for themselves, that is all I am asking the media and people of Taiwan to understand.”

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newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/story … 42,00.html

the overseas media is beginning to pick up on this. Singapore above, online, can the New York Daily News be next? Will never make the New York Times or Newsweek, but it could make local Queens, Brooklyn or Manhttan rags soon.

by the way, would someone please tell the Taiwan English media here that his name is CARY SARTIN, not Kelly or Kerrey or Kerry, as some outlets are reporting. Look it up. [*** THE TAIPEI TIMES took note of this note finally today, Thursday, and now prints his name as Cary Sartin.]

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I wonder what will happen when the Taiwan media finds out that Cary Sartin is Jewish. And that his private eye gumshoe is Black. Will these ethnic terms become part of the Chinese-language [read APPLE DAILY] reports?

Meanwhile, the taipei Tsimmes is reporting today that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs says the custody dispute must be settled by a Taiwanese court.

QUOTE

MOFA Spokesman Michel Lu (呂慶龍) said the US court ruling that custody belongs to Sartin can be ignored in Taiwan, as Juan did not attend the court hearing in the US.

“When the ruling was made in the US, Ms. Juan was not in court … Now that she has appealed the ruling and brought her case to a Taiwanese court, the US court ruling can be excluded in Taiwan,” Lu said yesterday.

Lu said the US-Taiwan Judicial Assistance Agreement – which provides for legal cooperation between the two countries – did not apply, because the US court ruled when Juan was absent.

“Now the girl’s custody has to be decided by a Taiwanese court, because she is still a citizen of Taiwan,” Lu said…

UNQUOTE

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WHERE ARE THEY NOW: Unable to leave Taiwan, Mr. Sartin and Emily are staying at a hotel in Taipei. The lawyer Mr Taylor is back in New York.
Mrs. Sartin was seen today on TVBS by a cameraman poking his camera into the window on Fifth Avenue where the Janet Sartin Spa is located, and she looks like a pretty, middle-aging woman.

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Apparently the website used to be juliacutie.net/ but is long gone. There are, however, traces of the website. The broken link to the Julia Cutie page is listed on a page of links to escort services and porn in New York City (scroll down the page, thumbnail images are NSFW):
http://www.cityvibe.com/asp/asp_files/cityvibe/banner/banner_display.asp?city=NY

The reference there is this:

[quote] Julia Cutie
Come experience the mysteries of the Orient…
E-mail: juliacuttie@mail[/quote]

Then if you Google her former email address you get another broken link, but with this Google summary:

[quote]Sugarnights Escort Resource - New York
Email : juliacuttie @ mail . com ( Added : 09 - 18 - 2002 , Hits : 177 , Rating : 0.00 , Votes : 1 , Reviews : 0 ) Reviews Rate It Add to Favorites Suggest …
www.sugarnights.com/links/index. php?sid=940123337&cat=102&t=sub_pages - 155k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages[/quote]

So we know her site and email address were active in 2002, and that she got hit on at least 177 times.

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The Liberty Times reportd tis morning that Taylor is a private investigator, not a lawyer. I’m not finding your TVBS report although the China Times is now referring to eletronic media reports that claim that Ruan posed for nude photos with the father.

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I checked one domain name site and the website comes up as available.
Wonder if there is any place to check past doamain name registration.

The stuff on the news about her supposed website looks good,…but it still needs to be proven that she actually ran the website and not the father setting it up with photos he happened to have.
Many young girls have such provocative photos taken in studios here these days.

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web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.juliacutie.net

All the pics are removed, but there are some gifs that allude to her…ummmm…service.

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[quote=“Chewycorns”]http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.juliacutie.net

All the pics are removed, but there are some gifs that allude to her…ummmm…service.[/quote]
Not ALL the pics… :smiling_imp: