Sure the thread is about the advantages of Taiwanese citizenship.
There are a few minor advantages. None that most APRC or JFRV holders would really need. It’s not worth getting citizenship here for some people as they don’t plan on living here when they retire.
If you care about permanent residence in china, then it’s a pretty major advantage. Chinese permanent residence is reportedly very hard to get.
I know a foreigner who went guarantor for a Taiwan citizen for that person to get a loan. It works both ways you know.
What makes a place a real country then pray tell?
False.
It doesn’t matter. Taiwan issues passports, every country in the world recognizes it and puts visas on them as well as stamp them. Taiwan only “isn’t a country” because the US ended up breaking diplomatic relationship with the republic of china and shifted that to prc, who sees Taiwan as a renegade province. But this is all politics.
In reality Taiwan is always treated like a country. It’s not like sealand or some random guy declaring his farm as an independent country.
Taiwan has always been butt hurt about this because before the US broke off from roc Taiwan was a member of the permanent UN security council.
We can see it’s only as permanent as politics allow.
UN not the US. The US does not rule the world. And the ROC was booted out of the UN and the PRC recognised as the ‘one true china’ before the US did.
Yes, and what i seem to be badly explaining is that it shouldnt be necessary to get citizenship for such things as a Mega credit card or a phone contract with xxx. I know certain people have got them with extra effort, and well done. The point is these things shouldnt be that hard, and with a Taiwanese ID, they wouldn’t. I don’t want to go off on more tangents on this, so let’s just respectfully leave this as is. Our forum debating doesn’t matter anyway as regards achieving that.
Classic ambiguity
That was a joke about how other countries treat Taiwan
Actually ROC left the UN was not booted out. ROC had the option of staying as there actually is no mechanism for the UN to remove a country.
You mean like how the EU treats the UK after Brexit?
The world treats Taiwan way better than the EU treats the UK post Brexit 
No it shouldn’t
However, it has become normal because people like yourself don’t bother to make any complaints or attempt any changes.
It says you have been on the forums since 2005 which tells me you are a long term resident in Taiwan. During this time people like yourself have normalized this situation.
Well seeing as you have applied to naturalize you will have become a normal national so nor more FSC complaints anymore? Let’s see how things go when you change to your TARC ID number.
Yep it’s getting to that point
The ID number will remain the same until I claim my household registration
Freedom!!!
I’d say your opinion is rather pragmatic.
How can it take 2 years if only 1 must be in Taiwan? From time people apply to naturalize that may only take 6 - 8 weeks or less… once naturalized then if you did not leave for Taiwan 12 months then apply HHR and ID card. That is 14 months. But there is nothing stopping anyone from traveling after naturalizing at all. @comfy123 will not apply for HHR and ID card until he is no longer required to do military service.
No one needs citizenship to live here with dignity. I managed to do just that on my ARC from 1989 - 1998
African-Americans after living there for multiple generations. to be fair, many taiwanese call themselves Chinese for the same genetic roots reasons. it’s obviously erroneous from a political/nationality basis. the only difference I see here is they also call people “foreigner” loudly and openly, without shame. which is rude. however, generlly speaking, that is a class thing more than a nationality thing (Taiwanese ). That is to say, such low class mouth breathers also tend to go abroad and call the locals of that place foreigners as well. presumably because they are not educated all that well in Mandarin and just think that’s how its said…
need we go on? the social retardedness in most places are clearly on public display.
anyway. on reasons to become Taiwanese, there are very clear reasons. mine are:
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allowed to vote
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allowed to buy land
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allowed to do certain business
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allowed to attend various government programs
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allowed to be more involved in politics, above board
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allowed to do more legal related work, above board, rather than “consulting”
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be respected more when the odd rude person insists I’m whatever name haha. (this ones a joke)
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edit. be allowed to participate in projects, subsidies, reliefs etc related to various work fields.
edit. apologies jimbo, I now realize you said civilized western countries. 