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[quote=“flike”][quote=“Gao Bohan”]It’s amazing how two people can read the same thing and come away with such entirely different impressions. I have yet to see maoman insult or ridicule a poster. One of the reasons I like posting here is because the admin is consistently reasonable and level headed. I obviously disagreed with his decision to suspend me for a time, but even there I can see how I may have crossed a line that my opponent did not. When we’re talking about social rules, the line is seldom clear, but in my opinion the administrators here usually make sound judgements.

That “Good doggie, woof!” bit by one of the moderators wasn’t funny and was entirely inappropriate given the tone of this thread, in my opinion. It’s a bit unseemly when the ref makes fun of the players.[/quote]

I don’t think Gao said you are. He said you are one of the moderators. And that’s true, right?

I think his point was that moderators help best when they pour water on fires that burn here, not gasoline.

Stray Dog also made it clear that, while he expected posters here in this thread to mock him, he thought there was no merit there. He expected people to be people, in other words, because including you that’s just the way people are.

But you are also a moderator here, a position which by definition is one which allows you to act in judgment of others. Moderators should thus held to a higher standard than other posters, in my opinion.

That may be true, but I think you’ve misused your position here. I don’t think it’s funny or useful for moderators to bait or to mock those here who’ve expressed an honest opinion at forumosa.com, no matter what the opinion is and especially no matter who expresses it.[/quote]

As I said, I was joking and Stray Dog said he didn’t mind. Do you get it?

I haven’t misused my position.I just made the same comments I would have had I not become a moderator. And I had no referee powers in that forum. I was not participating as a mod.

And once again, it was just friendly joking, made more useful by the over-intensity of the thread.

And as to the higher standard, I agree. But a joke is a joke. Once again, “If you can’t take a joke, don’t post on Forumosa” IMHO.

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I disagree. In my opinion if you’re a mod then you should lead by example. Another way to say it is that mods always participate as mods, whether they realize it or not and whether they care to or not. When it comes to setting the overall tone here, a mod’s status is a corollary to [url=For all the dads with sons discussed recently on forumosa[/url].

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[quote=“ironlady”]StrayDog thinks X.
Maoman thinks Y.
Maoman owns the site. So for the purposes of discussion, he has the last word, regardless.
And here’s the point – that’s what it is – a Web site. Fer Pete’s sake. It’s a Web site.
So freakin’ what? Go for a walk. Learn a language. Watch TV. Go bowling. Volunteer at an orphanage. Have a drink. Whatever, but do something in the real world and get over this obsession about what’s “going on” in an online forum. If what is happening at f.com is becoming that crucial to one’s psychic well-being, it is seriously time to evaluate the role that web site is playing in one’s life and figure out how to achieve a healthier balance overall.[/quote]

I think the point is that this is a feedback forum. Some people believe that offering feedback is constructive. Calm down.

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[quote=“Stray Dog”][quote=“ironlady”]StrayDog thinks X.
Maoman thinks Y.
Maoman owns the site. So for the purposes of discussion, he has the last word, regardless.
And here’s the point – that’s what it is – a Web site. Fer Pete’s sake. It’s a Web site.
So freakin’ what? Go for a walk. Learn a language. Watch TV. Go bowling. Volunteer at an orphanage. Have a drink. Whatever, but do something in the real world and get over this obsession about what’s “going on” in an online forum. If what is happening at f.com is becoming that crucial to one’s psychic well-being, it is seriously time to evaluate the role that web site is playing in one’s life and figure out how to achieve a healthier balance overall.[/quote]

I think the point is that this is a feedback forum. Some people believe that offering feedback is constructive. Calm down.[/quote]

I think the point is, the OP (oh! that’s you!) needs to calm down. This is a web site, not Real Life. Accept that life isn’t always fair from everyone’s perspective, and get on with more important things.

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ironlady, it’s really fine to speak like that. I don’t mind at all. But maybe you haven’t noticed the several times in this and the other thread that I’ve stated, as clearly as I possibly can, that I’m really not angry or upset. I’ve noticed in life how people tend to accuse others of feeling how they would feel if it were them. The truth is, I don’t get upset by this kind of thing. You’re freaking out a bit, but I’m not. I’m totally calm. I’m even sitting in a yoga position as I write this. :slight_smile:

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Freaking out is “my father-in-law has just been diagnosed with terminal cancer” (true). Sorry to burst your bubble of yogic calm, but you, and particularly anything you do on a Web site, are hardly even a footnote on my day.

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If RobinTaiwan is still interested, I’ll be using this thread as evidence of what basic elements of human interaction lead to my departure from at least one of the organisations. It’s actually really interesting and, as I said earlier, incredibly valuable.

ironlady, sorry to hear about your father-in-law, and I sincerely hope he becomes one of the many people who end up proving their prognoses wrong.

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I disagree. In my opinion if you’re a mod then you should lead by example. Another way to say it is that mods always participate as mods, whether they realize it or not and whether they care to or not. When it comes to setting the overall tone here, a mod’s status is a corollary to [url=For all the dads with sons discussed recently on forumosa[/url].[/quote]

I don’t agree that a mod always participates as a mod. There would be no point in me being on Forumosa then, as I would be unable to express myself openly. However, I see from your comments and those of others that I should be more vigilant to avoid making other posters uncomfortable if they perceive my comments as being “modish” in any way when they aren’t. Thanks for speaking plainly!

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Straydog is “Freaking In” Ommmmmmmmm.

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This is very true. Even more than that, it’s a website that we are allowed to participate in. It’s ownership belongs to one or two individuals operate it at the expense of their own time and, at least as far as I understand, a good bit of their own money.

I really don’t understand some who take on a sense of entitlement, act like they are customers here, or make claims about professionalism or lack thereof amongst the admin…There are issues and people that I get frustrated with here from time to time, and when that happens, it’s time for me to take a break. But whether or not I come back, as I have tended to, is up to me. It’s not my sandbox, so if I don’t like it, it’s up to me to pick up my toys and go home. :idunno:

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HEY EVERYBODY!
…this is Tonys (Anthonys) place here.

Its his sandbox…His rules…

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This is very true. Even more than that, it’s a website that we are allowed to participate in. It’s ownership belongs to one or two individuals operate it at the expense of their own time and, at least as far as I understand, a good bit of their own money.

I really don’t understand some who take on a sense of entitlement, act like they are customers here, or make claims about professionalism or lack thereof amongst the admin…There are issues and people that I get frustrated with here from time to time, and when that happens, it’s time for me to take a break. But whether or not I come back, as I have tended to, is up to me. It’s not my sandbox, so if I don’t like it, it’s up to me to pick up my toys and go home. :idunno:[/quote]

So are you saying that Maoman isn’t allowed to have a feedback forum on his site? :ponder:

I was under the impression, from a few things Maoman has said, that he wants to make money from this site. Feedback is valuable in that regard. But so is customer service. There are, of course, the sponsors to think about, as surely they would like as large an audience as possible. And there are people like me who promote the site whenever possible, because it does have a value for people trying to get support for projects. As a discussion forum, though, I believe improvements could be made.

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Not at all: I was offering my personal opinion about the site and the attitude I take to it. The responsibility to his sponsors is his, not mine to worry about, and as far as customer service goes, what am I paying for here?

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“If you’re not paying for the product, you are the product.”

Of course, given the community aspects, f.com’s much more than that. IMO, there’s a good deal on the business side of things that could be improved, but there’s a great deal more that could be improved if individuals cared, or thought, a wee bit more about how they post.

And Stray Dog, please, this is tiresome. Bury the bone.

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Ideally, Forumosa should be for everybody that wants to be a positive part of an online community, so I don’t really feel it’s MY sandbox. At least it would be a pretty quiet place if it were only for me and my best mates. Forumosa is a community, and every community has its culture and rules of conduct. Interestingly, most of what happens on Forumosa doesn’t meed moderation. Our culture and history is strong enough that people kind of know what is tolerated and what isn’t, which is a result of pretty consistent work by the moderators over the years. A lot of them put in hours and hours of service every week and even every day to make sure that Forumosa remains a friendly, interesting, and useful site. If guidelines are breached, and nastiness, or even the potential of nastiness arises, I often get involved.

For those of you who don’t know us in real life, Stray Dog and I are friends, and he’s someone I have an immense amount of respect for. I know I frustrate him sometimes (hence this thread), but I don’t think he doubts my good intentions, just my execution. (SD, if I’ve inaccurately characterized your feelings, please correct me.)

I do welcome feedback, and often implement suggested changes. Sometimes I don’t. I make mistakes, and when I recognize them, I’m usually pretty quick to apologize. When disagreements arise, I mostly try to be polite, but sometimes I get a little snarky which isn’t one of my better qualities. I can be a stubborn, arrogant S.O.B. sometimes. I get a lot of good feedback from PMs, too, especially from my moderators. Jimipresley, for one, isn’t afraid to tell me when he thinks I’m completely wrong, God bless him, nor is ironlady.

I’m not sure if there’s a lot more to be said in this thread, but if you want to weigh in, please do. I try to take all comments, positive or negative, in the spirit of making the website a better, friendlier place, so please don’t feel shy if there’s something on your mind.

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If the above isn’t enough to put this “issue” to rest, I don’t know what will. Excellent post, Maoman. :thumbsup:

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sometimes I dun understand white folks.

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[quote=“maoman”]Ideally, Forumosa should be for everybody that wants to be a positive part of an online community, so I don’t really feel it’s MY sandbox. At least it would be a pretty quiet place if it were only for me and my best mates. Forumosa is a community, and every community has its culture and rules of conduct. Interestingly, most of what happens on Forumosa doesn’t meed moderation. Our culture and history is strong enough that people kind of know what is tolerated and what isn’t, which is a result of pretty consistent work by the moderators over the years. A lot of them put in hours and hours of service every week and even every day to make sure that Forumosa remains a friendly, interesting, and useful site. If guidelines are breached, and nastiness, or even the potential of nastiness arises, I often get involved.

For those of you who don’t know us in real life, Stray Dog and I are friends, and he’s someone I have an immense amount of respect for. I know I frustrate him sometimes (hence this thread), but I don’t think he doubts my good intentions, just my execution. (SD, if I’ve inaccurately characterized your feelings, please correct me.)

I do welcome feedback, and often implement suggested changes. Sometimes I don’t. I make mistakes, and when I recognize them, I’m usually pretty quick to apologize. When disagreements arise, I mostly try to be polite, but sometimes I get a little snarky which isn’t one of my better qualities. I can be a stubborn, arrogant S.O.B. sometimes. I get a lot of good feedback from PMs, too, especially from my moderators. Jimipresley, for one, isn’t afraid to tell me when he thinks I’m completely wrong, God bless him, nor is ironlady.

I’m not sure if there’s a lot more to be said in this thread, but if you want to weigh in, please do. I try to take all comments, positive or negative, in the spirit of making the website a better, friendlier place, so please don’t feel shy if there’s something on your mind.[/quote]

Yes, this is just feedback on execution, not on anything personal, like your funny hairstyle or anything like that. And, yes, we are friends, but really only because I fancy your wife; what’s your excuse?

Anyway, consider yourself feedbacked. And thanks for letting me know my concerns have at least been heard.

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It is your sandbox.

I just play in it and leave lumpy surprises on occasion…:smiley:

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So, a sorry twist in the tale.
The protagonists of this drama turn out to be friends. Instead of a proper fight it was actually more of a lovers’ tiff! A sigh of disappointment ripples through the crowd and people begin drifting away.
Suddenly, someone shouts “Over there! Look, Hawaiian shirts for sale - 70% off!!!”
And the stampede begins anew.