Nuclear Power Debate

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Guy

I tend to agree. However I am of the thought two wrongs dont make a right. Not even sure what might leach from them, just a speculation/question. But they would surely be different than the poisons that are allowed by the fda I would think.

Terrors? What do you mean? I thought nuclear was safe?

Well, not old nuclear generators (not reactors) floating all around the place.

but so many say we shouldnt make a deadline to shut down old reactors and make cleaner power. they are totally safe…they tell us if we do this we are by proxy saying coal fired plants are the alternative and that we all think coal is cleaner than nuclear :upside_down_face:

being veeeeery facetious

Not sure there’s a comparison here. Look at the video of them (very carefully) handling one of them. It’s like the size of a car battery.

Jfc!

I think that’s just the core actually. Anyway not a good thing to be lying around

It’s a sign of how 2024 will turn out I guess.

I wonder if the attention on this issue will affect voters in Taiwan, as energy policy / use of fission nuclear power has been a consistent talking point among the different parties. Will the events in Japan (thankfully minor, I hope!) have an impact here?

Guy

About 10 liters spilled from the No. 2 reactor and about 4 liters from the No. 7 reactor. TEPCO is measuring the radiation levels.

Compared to 1.3 billion litres in Fukushima it is miniscule.
They should recalculate total radiation dose of that water vs radioactivity of ash released by say Taichung coal power plant.

I don’t see that data anywhere. If you have data on the radioactivity of Taichung coal power plant, I’d love to see it. Meanwhile this is the data available.

The yellow bars are goal used in 10K tons. It is not directly correlated with the amount of particulates measured at various stations. Nor does it correlate to the amount of SO2 or NOx.

There are serious proposals to mine fissile material out of coal ash. It isn’t worth it economically, but if done the fissile material would make more electricity than burning the coal.

Think about that. How much more of that is being released?

Only Russia and china takes nuclear power seriously. Democracies won’t because of highly effective campaigns from the fossil fuel industry.

Every time Japan releases some lightly radioactive water everyone freaks out.

Cause e=mc². There’s more energy stored in the atoms than the hydrocarbon bond, but the fact that the filtering process is too expensive to be economical means it’s not yet feasible in the real world.

I mean it all comes down to being economical/geological viability. I’m not opposed to nuclear fission power on geologically stable sites and with a proper underground waste storage site built like the one in Onkalo, Finland. However, Taiwan’s geology simply isn’t suitable for nuclear fission power, at least not for the uranium and plutonium kinds of fission power.

Japan chose to go back despite the risks because they realize china can cut them off anytime. Coal requires several boat loads per day to function. Years worth of nuclear fuel can be air dropped in if need be, legality be damned (there is no rule in war).

Without nuclear power or fossil fuel, there is no industry.

Show me a source that states ā€œChinaā€ is behind Japan’s decision.

Japan’s decision was made by the LDP, which has long championed nuclear power, is pro-business, and rules almost unchallenged. They made this decision because they are the LDP.

I’ll wait for your source @Taiwan_Luthiers .

Guy

France and the US are some of the largest producers of nuclear power, with France being by far the leader in nuclear power as % of national power output. But I see your point, and dumbshit hippies and in countries like Austria, and more tragically Germany, have reversed that to the point where they are planning further increase their consumption of Braunkohle (I believe that is Lignite in English but I am far too lazy to be arsed to check so if I’m wrong just ignore the mistake) among other mostly not domestic power sources (ala Oil).

this, for a country with basically nix when it comes to domestic energy production; almost all the shit is imported, outside of some coal mining and of some green energy which, if all of Germany’s nuclear energy were to disappear, would replace that but essentially not make any dent on the non-renewable sources.

It shouldn’t be hard for democracies to sell nuclear power, especially those in earthquake-stable areas, and oil / coal money certainly doesn’t help there. That said, also worth considering that the Russians and Chinese tend to really love dipping in on their own non-renewable sources, with the Chinese center-northwest generally registering as basically unlivable for good parts of the year due to air quality sucking way too much ass. So I’d say worry not, the oligarchies of the world clearly have their issues with their own local production vs desires to move to more renewable solutions (esp in the case of China whihc at least pretends to care abt that stuff)

Two words:

Geothermal, ocean current.

Wait, that’s three words.

Not enough for industry.