Obama to Institutionalize "Volunteerism?"

[quote]As President, I will launch a new Social Investment Fund Network. It’s time to get the grass roots, the foundations, the faith-based organizations, the private sector and the government at the table so that we can learn from our own success stories. We’ll invest in ideas that work; leverage private sector dollars to encourage innovation; and expand successful programs to scale. Take a program like the Harlem Children’s Zone, which helps thousands of kids in New York through after-school activities, mentoring, and family support. We need to make that model work in different cities across America. And just as we support small businesses, I’ll start a new Social Entrepreneur Agency to make sure that small non-profits have strong support from Washington.

Finally, we need to integrate service into education, so that young Americans are called upon and prepared to be active citizens.

Just as we teach math and writing, arts and athletics, we need to teach young Americans to take citizenship seriously. Study after study shows that students who serve do better in school, are more likely to go to college, and more likely to maintain that service as adults. So when I’m President, I will set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year. This means that by the time you graduate college, you’ll have done 17 weeks of service.

We’ll reach this goal in several ways. At the middle and high school level, we’ll make federal assistance conditional on school districts developing service programs, and give schools resources to offer new service opportunities. At the community level, we’ll develop public-private partnerships so students can serve more outside the classroom.

For college students, I have proposed an annual American Opportunity Tax Credit of $4,000. To receive this credit, we’ll require 100 hours of public service.
You invest in America, and America invests in you - that’s how we’re going to make sure that college is affordable for every single American, while preparing our nation to compete in the 21st century.[/quote]
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Should public service be taught? Required?

Being a volunteer is nothing new. Lots of people do it. Lots of older people do it more and more these days. But if so many older boomers are volunteering, why the need to institutionalize volunteerism in school-age children? Is there such a need for free “character building” labor?

Smarter people and college educated people perform more free labor/ volunteerism than those who do not do well in school or graduated from college. So by making public service a requirement, Obama will achieve…er…higher numbers of volunteers? Or all this government forced and sponsored character building with help modern youth take a more active role in society?

I seem to remember as a teen NOT enjoying people making me do things that built character. maybe times have changed and the fatbellied American teen apesloth need only a nudge in the right direction. Or the Left if you will.

And if the middle and high schools do not provide the free teen labor for their local communities to take advantage of, the federal government with deny or take away funding. So, federal funding for education will be denied when the schools do not offer their students’ free labor to the local government?

Won’t this mean that those students who do not get funding will receive ostensibly a poorer education and may not finish college, which would make them less likely to do actual REAL volunteer work in their community?

Or is Obama trying to nip the whole volunteer thing in the bud? NGOs always moan about being understaffed and underfunded. So Obama pimps out…sorry, supplies an endless stream of free labor to ngos and local volunteer programs and pays off the school systems who ensure the supply side.

As for the last part, giving college kids a 4k deal for doing public service. Good. Most of the pub service jobs one can do high anyway.

Bottom line. America is the most generous and giving country on the Earth. Why institutionalize it? Why threaten already underfunded schools with cuts if they don’t supply a free line of human credit to local do-gooders?

I think slavery was made illegal. Well at least in the USA.
This sounds a lot like impressment into governmental service.

[quote=“TainanCowboy”]I think slavery was made illegal. Well at least in the USA.
This sounds a lot like impressment into governmental service.[/quote]

Well, honestly, to me too.

I’d hate to see the library taken away because the homeless in Santa Monica didn’t get their footrubs.

Maybe Barry is just slipping in a call for the reinstatement of a draft?

Could be?
Stand in the wrong line and instead of drum-beating in the Poconos its D&C at PI…heh heh heh.

Didn’t BUsh do this with his faith based initiatives?
Why yes, he did. So Obama is going to build on Bush’s foundation? heehee

[quote]
In a campaign already strongly emphasizing faith, Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama announced his intent to make federal funding of religiously based organizations a key part of his push to help the needy.

His plan would overhaul and expand the controversial faith-based initiative that was an early cornerstone of President Bush’s domestic program, which Senator Obama said had “never fulfilled its promise.”

Obama’s proposals, announced Tuesday, are likely to appeal particularly to African- Americans, who already lean Democratic, and to Evangelicals of various political stripes who are increasingly concerned about issues of poverty. He has stepped up his religious outreach in recent weeks, including seeking inroads into the Republicans’ Evangelical base. But his proposals also run the risk of alienating Democrats opposed to funding religious groups for any purpose.

Obama said America’s problems were too big to solve through government alone. “I believe that change comes not from the top down but from the bottom up, and few are closer to the people than our churches, synagogues, temples, and mosques,” he said, during a visit to Eastside Community Ministry in Zanesville, Ohio.

The senator was careful to highlight key areas of difference between that initiative and his own proposal for a Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships.

Make no mistake, as someone who used to teach constitutional law, I believe deeply in the separation of church and state, but I don’t believe this partnership will endanger that idea,” Obama said. [/quote]
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So those godless NGOs don’t know the people?

Change from the bottom up, with the federal government making sure that godless NGOs and Religious groups are hooked up with free teen labor?

But don’t worry about the legality of it, Obama was a teacher!

Somehow, that just doesn’t comfort me.

Slavery? Drafts? Loss of public services? http://www.hcz.org/ You guys have too many negative ions in your lives.

They did this before with the New Deal and ABCs corps, etc.

Didn’t they call that prez commie too? And yet…

I have nothing against public service, having done a lot of it. So you can keep your negativity sticker.

I do not mind private schools mandating PS as a requirement in their curriculum.

I do not like the idea much less the implementation of mandatory PS in public middle and high schools, backed by the threat of federal fund cuts.

[quote=“Jack Burton”]They did this before with the New Deal and ABCs corps, etc.

Didn’t they call that prez commie too? And yet…[/quote]
FDR put kids to work? Really? Middle school kids?

[quote=“Surly”]
I do not like the idea much less the implementation of mandatory PS in public middle and high schools, backed by the threat of federal fund cuts.[/quote]

I’d wager that federal funding for schools is already dependent upon schools achieving certain standards markers. If you like the idea of PS, then it shouldn’t matter too much that schools are ‘forced’ to include such a program.
Anyway, you know policy and implementation are two different things.

[quote=“TomHill”][quote=“Surly”]
I do not like the idea much less the implementation of mandatory PS in public middle and high schools, backed by the threat of federal fund cuts.[/quote]

I’d wager that federal funding for schools is already dependent upon schools achieving certain standards markers. If you like the idea of PS, then it shouldn’t matter too much that schools are ‘forced’ to include such a program.
Anyway, you know policy and implementation are two different things.[/quote]
Yeah, and those standards are usually academic.

You want the UK to institute morality from the top down, Tom?

PS is voluntary for a reason. Some people are assholes and shouldn’t be around people who need real help. And forcing them to be there…I see a bad downside to this kind of programming.

[quote=“Surly”][quote=“TomHill”][quote=“Surly”]
I do not like the idea much less the implementation of mandatory PS in public middle and high schools, backed by the threat of federal fund cuts.[/quote]

I’d wager that federal funding for schools is already dependent upon schools achieving certain standards markers. If you like the idea of PS, then it shouldn’t matter too much that schools are ‘forced’ to include such a program.
Anyway, you know policy and implementation are two different things.[/quote]
Yeah, and those standards are usually academic.

You want the UK to institute morality from the top down, Tom?

PS is voluntary for a reason. Some people are assholes and shouldn’t be around people who need real help. And forcing them to be there…I see a bad downside to this kind of programming.[/quote]

I think those standards also include non-academic markers. In the UK I know we get extra funding if we can achieve a ‘healthy school’ mark for example.

To be honest with you Surly I would LOVE it if we started to look at teaching morality in schools. The pressure in a standardized test environment kills everything except academics. No creativity, no freedom to discuss, no social curriculum whatsoever. Just get the kid from a 4b to a 4a in maths and we will increase your pay. It is important for kids to take a social responsibility so they can see how they are connected to the world around them. Shame that they have to be forced to volunteer but there we have it.

Well hopefully some sense will prevail and the assholes will get asshole PS work to complete.

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To be honest with you Surly I would LOVE it if we started to look at teaching morality in schools.[/quote]
OK then, let’s start with honor killings.

I would think that teaching citizenship is more important than teaching morality.

McCain has a similar plan. He calls it the draft.

[quote=“Surly”][quote]
To be honest with you Surly I would LOVE it if we started to look at teaching morality in schools.[/quote]
OK then, let’s start with honor killings.

I would think that teaching citizenship is more important than teaching morality.[/quote]

Sure, lets start with honour killings. Why not? Honour killings have no place in American society, so teach kids that.

I didn’t see the word ‘morality’ anywhere in Obama’s speech, unless I am mistaken, so that is a word you have chosen. But in your defence, I can’t really see how morality and citizenship can be split apart. We have to teach kids that some things are plain wrong.
Volunteering as a form of kinesthetic education isn’t something we should be suspicious of, but it is something that needs to be implemented carefully.

But surely “volunteer or else” is just coercion? And what about kids who already do volunteer work outside of school? Do they have to go and work for the government for free as well?

Deny what? A bonus that is there for you should you want it?

He doesn’t say he knows better. He leaves it up to the individual to choose the character building service he knows his “Energy Corps” will generate. He is opening up avenues of inventiveness. For all who want it.

Do you know any people that served in the military? Pretty strong, well rounded characters for the most part, aren’t they? Give a little back to your country, in whatever way you see fit. His program seems to want to motivate people to trying new things. What on earth do you see wrong with that?

Why do kids have to go to school in the first place? Isn’t this the land of freedom?

I might be getting too much spin from the story, but its the coercion part I wouldn’t be happy with. This “do it or else the government will fuck you up” thing.

I might be getting too much spin from the story, but its the coercion part I wouldn’t be happy with. This “do it or else the government will fuck you up” thing.[/quote]

I am only getting that from Surly’s take on the program. I don’t see anyone forcing anyone to join. But if you join, resources will be made available. Not coercion…motivation, impetus, education. All good things!!!

Sandman, you know how these guys like to spin what isn’t there and fabricate ends to meet their twisted needs. Read it for yourself without the dogma Surly is casting about.