Oh shit! - Just found out that my wife is pregnant

We have recently found out that my wife is pregnant. The news that I may become a father has left me a little bit muddle- headed and I just need somewhere to put it all down.

Firstly this isn’t an unplanned pregnancy. Me and my wife have both wanted to have kids someday and recently stopped using contraception. However I didn’t realise that everything would move so quickly so to speak.

I believe that we will both be good parents and try our best. However at 24 years old I do feel a bit young for all of this. I have a lot to learn and am unsure of what I can offer my child. Although me and my wife have a very happy and comfortable personal life we both consider our lifestyle to be very poor. I am a soon-to-be unemployed English Teacher and my wife has to work long hours putting up with a lot of shit for a very low salary. Money is tight and the taofang that we live in is so poor we are seriously considering moving back in with my wifes parents.

How can I bring a child into such a world? I remember my own childhood being so idyllic; roaming free in the English countryside, our own home and car for the family and everything that I ever wanted as a child. How my mum achieved all of this as a single mum of 5 kids I still do not know!?! If I put this in contrast to our current situation it makes me feel so down. My wife and I have slightly over $NT300,000 to our names with no sight of our own home, car or nice possessions in sight.

I still want to achieve so much in my life. I want to continue with my Chinese language studies, complete a masters degree and find a career path where I can grow and progress to provide a comfortable life for my family. Does all of this need to go out of the window when I have a kid?

Finally I want to say that I do understand that there are people in this world who have it a lot worse than I do. At times I consider myself very fortunate to have everything that I do so please don’t interpret this post as a whinging moan.

Thank you for taking the time to read.

Congratulations! :bravo:

Single Mum of five kids? Same here.

You are still young, and I’m sure you’ll accomplish many things if you really want them.

This is a wanted baby of two able parents. I’ve seen worse.

If you can handle the with-the-inlaws thing, that might be an option that will help preserve some of your own options for further personal development while still allowing you to start your family.

No one is ready for a child. No one. Not ever. That’s why you normally have 9 months to try to get your head around it, though even that isn’t enough.

I don’t know how you feel about the Bible, OP, but here’s this for you:

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth. Psalm 127:4

What you’re going through at this moment is normal. Most parents, at any age, no matter how baddly they want to be parents, usually have an “Oh shit!” moment at first. It’s just that this is suddenly real; having a child is no longer something you want to do someday, it’s something you’re going to do someday SOON.

Take comfort in the fact that no matter what, you’ll never be ready! If you had a great house, all your needs met, and million in the bank, you still wouldn’t be ready!

It’s not easy. In some ways, it’s the toughest thing in the world. But by FAR, it’s the most rewarding, most worth while, most amazing thing I’ve ever done. For me, at least, being a parent is worth every single other thing. Any could haves or woud haves pale and fall appart when I think that I’d have had to have traded in being a mother to my awsome boy. Really.

And as we’ve talked about quite a bit in other threads, kids need love and kids need you. And the great thin about kids is that YOU and YOUR LOVE trully are the things they desire most in the world! All the rest is gravey and if you were to ask someone else’s kid, some kid who seems to have it all, I bet they’d tell you in a heart beat that they’d trade everything they have if they had to, just to be with their parents.

Congratulations, Milkybar_Man!

Congrats!

You definitely have questions that don’t come with easy answers. Good on your for thinking about these issues. The weight of responsibility when you become a parent does feel quite heavy at times. Some people probably just block it out so they don’t have to think about it.

Maybe it will help to get more specific about your career planning. If you have a very specific end goal, and you are very confident you can get a certain type of job once you complete your masters, that might give you something more concrete to work towards, even if you have to struggle a bit in the meantime.

In fact, you can have several of these moments. I think I had a few of these moments for my first son, and then a few more for my second. :slight_smile:

Congrats, but as others have said you’ll never ever be ready. I was in my mid-thirties when my first came along and I still didn’t think i was ready.

You’ll be fine, you just do the best you can with what you’ve got. The good news is that newborns only want feeding, changing and love, so you have time to work towards material goods.

Good luck it’s a fun ride.

Congrats.

My daughters are 3 and 1, and wow, do things change. Takes a lot of adjustment; brings a lot of joy. It’s quite a ride.

Congratulations.

Take a look at your situation this way: A baby will push you to achieve whatever needed to have a good career. Without the baby you would have been laying low. Babies are blessing as long as you think so they are. I personally enjoy every moment I can have with mine.

Your whole perspective of life will change. For that one life you will give up everything and give everything. Money and material possessions will not matter if you give support and love to your child.
When I was born, my father was in the military and he and my mother were stationed in a foreign land. I was an accident. My father left the army (a hindsight mistake) and became a firefighter so I could be bought up in one place. We lived in a council house where my mother and father scraped together enough cash to buy it from the government.
They had no money at all. They tell me, one day an envelope of 200 pounds landed on the doormat and they were able to get by using that - that was a lot of money in those days, and they never found out who it was from.
I was always given the best by them and they worked hard to give me, and later my brother and sister, a better life - my father moonlighting and my mother working part time to the extent where we all became pretty well off.
The same can be said of me now. I have a son. He was an accident, and I am not married, and I am not incredibly rich. But it doesn’t matter.
He is my life, and he always will be.
I sometimes felt bad about allowing him into this world until I realised that it is my responsibility to make the world a better place for him. That will be your job when your child arrives.
So congratulations!

Congratulations, and welcome to The Other Side.

I can’t quite recall how much I was floored by such news in my own HQ.
It’s an adjustment, and one can’t really dodge it.
Adapt, Improvise & Improve.
Onwards & Upwards!
Accentuate the Positive, Exterminate the Negative.

Any dick can make a baby but only a real man can RAISE a child.
Be the man.

300 000? That’s a lot of savings…my friend gave birth here and the whole thing cost her only NT30 000. Taiwan is so cheap when it comes to medical bills. Who will ever own a home anyways? Taiwan is pretty cheap in comparison to most things…give a kid a pack of NT90 monster cards and they’re yours for life. Buy second hand PS2s for NT3000.

THere are always ways around all of this. Live with the in-laws for the first 3 years…start to plan and make goals.

COngratulations! I’m not a mother, and will never be, but I believe that once that baby comes, things that you thought were important and scary just becomes small in comparison to the wonder of having a mini you:)

I would, however, continue to work for the time while she is pregnant. You can always study chinese on the side.

Congratulations!

You could have waited until the perfect time . . . but that would never come. There’s rarely a perfect time for anything, so you may as well consider that there’s no time like the present.

We had no money growing up, but I guess that’s where I get my love for the simple things in life, and I consider myself happier than most. Forget the material things. You can provide greater riches than those.

Really? Sign me up, er, I mean the little one up.
Just got a Skalextric for mine - these are the things to look forward to - hours and hours of father and son time putting mini cars with electric motors back on their tracks.

Congratulations, old chap! All the very best to you, your wife, and the little life stirring in her womb.

There’ll be many magical moments ahead for you, as well as many great strains, stresses, trials and tribulations. But your whole existence has taken on a new meaning and focus with the conception of that child, and you’ll find that your world has shifted on its axis after he or she is born.

Many fine sentiments have been expressed in this thread. I can’t match the best of them, but here’s an account of what becoming a father (in advanced middle age) has meant for me:

When I was single, I was viscerally averse to any thought of having a child. I kept as far away from children as I possibly could, and considered myself very fortunate not to be burdened with my own or likely to ever be so burdened. I didn’t mind occasionally holding or cooing over a sweet little baby or infant, but that was as close as I was ever willing to get to any of our “little friends.”

At one time, in my 30s, I had a Taiwanese girlfriend who was almost perfect in every respect. She was physically gorgeous (a figure shaped to perfection by competitive ice-skating in her teens), had a sweet and loving disposition, ardently shared all of my pleasures, and also happened to be the only child of a very rich family (a potential complication, but also a potential bonus if we’d married). There was only one snag: she loved children, and when she started talking with misty eyes about the children she longed for us to make together, I knew it was time to go our separate ways. I eased her gently out of my life, but could never quite get her out of my mind, and could never quite forgive myself for letting my horror of fatherhood cause me to cast away such a treasure. (I’ve never contacted her again, but I heard from mutual friends that she went abroad and married an American. And I’ve seen her picture on Facebook, smiling happily with her two little boys, so I’m very glad for her.)

I was extremely happy to remain single and childless into my 40s, and didn’t expect that to ever change. But fate conspired to nudge me into marriage, with a woman who knew very well how I felt about having children, and apparently had very similar feelings herself. Her four of sisters each had one child, and it was evident that her life was much fuller, freer and easier than theirs for not being so burdened.

However, after we’d been married two or three years, one of her sisters had a second baby. It was a delightful, serene little baby, and triggered my wife’s maternal instincts into full activation. Her family, of course, were stoking the fire, constantly going on about how we should have a baby, how gorgeous it would certainly be as a mixed-blood child, and how everyone would surely teng (adore) it above all others.

With her biological clock ticking down, my wife began pining more and more deeply for that child, and after a brief initial resistance, and futile efforts to remind her how happy we were with our child-free life and how everything would change if we had a baby, I relented (since I couldn’t deny her the chance to be a mum when she wanted it so much), and agreed to have one. I was hoping against hope that one or both of us would turn out to be infertile, but it wasn’t to be, and soon enough she got the happy confirmation that she was pregnant.

Having made the decision to become a father, I committed myself to it heart and soul. I cosseted her during the pregnancy, went with her for all the pre-natal checks, talked to her belly, made all the plans, the whole works, like any excited father-to-be. My relief and delight when our daughter was born healthy and whole was as great as any emotion I’ve felt in my life. I have doted on the little girl since the day she was born, and have made her the centre of my universe. Nothing matters more to me than her happiness and well-being, and I’m willing to sacrifice everything for her.

The cost and burden of having a child have, as it turns out, been even greater than I had supposed. She has been a high-maintenance baby, waking constantly in the night until a few months ago (she’s just turned four), a very fussy eater, quick to cry, and very demanding of attention. I moved to ghastly Linkou for her sake, so she could be near to her Taiwanese grandparents, aunties and cousins. I was very happy in Xindian, where I’d lived for 20 years, and have been terribly unhappy living here. I have had to give up the things I cherish most, especially my daily jaunts into nature, river-tracing, and swims in mountain creeks. I have had to cut my precious exercise routines to the absolute minimum, and entirely give up all social life. I will have to continue working for 10 to 15 more years, maybe even longer, rather than retiring early as I had always aimed and planned for and would have been able to do already if I only had myself to provide for (since my wife has given up work to look after our daughter, I’m now the sole breadwinner in the family). I’m always tired, my previously roaring good health and fitness have deteriorated a lot, my hair is greying, and I’ve aged at least ten years since she was born.

Before I was a dad, I used to mine every precious moment of every day for all I could get out of it, extracting every bit of its marrow, filling each minute with purposeful, productive, fulfilling activity, seldom frittering away any time in idle vacuity. Now that I’m a dad, I spend endless hours every day engaging in mind-numbingly dull playtime with my daughter, repetitively acting out simple roleplays, reading and rereading stories, playing with dolls and teddy bears and building blocks and keys and coins and anything else that can capture her attention and amuse her. Day after day flies by bereft of anything productive or stimulating except investment in my daughter’s happiness and development.

My life now consists of almost nothing but work and looking after Emma. I work at home, and feel compelled to spend as much time as possible with Emma. When I don’t have work to do or take a break from work, I go downstairs to play with her or take her out. I cannot allow myself to be away from her for even a few hours unless it is absolutely unavoidable. It’s ten times harder than it was before to get my work done, terribly hard to tell her that I must go upstairs to do my work when she’s pleading with me to play with her for a bit longer, all but impossible to stay at my desk when I hear her crying or calling for me.

I often lament all the things I’ve lost by becoming a dad, how much it has narrowed down my life, and how hugely it has added to my cares. Yet I don’t regret it. I love that child more than I’ve ever loved anyone or anything. My biggest fear is that I’ll die prematurely, not because I’m afraid of death itself, but because I’m afraid that I’ll die before I’ve had time to give her as much as a father can possibly give to his child.

Life without children is so easy. Trying to be the best father one can be is endlessly stressful, anguishing, worrying, and frustrating. Her sadness, illness and tears rend my heart like nothing else can. Sometimes, my patience snaps, and I’ll raise my voice, speak to her harshly, punish her by taking something away (though never, ever by physical chastisement). Afterwards, I feel sick, wretched, torn up inside, close to despair. Being a good dad is the hardest thing in the world, and it’s agonizing to feel one might be falling short in any way.

I think I was absolutely right not to want children before. My instinctive aversion was spot on. What a rich, carefree, pleasure-filled life I could still be leading if I hadn’t fallen into the fathering trap. If I were to wind back the clock and be given the choice of remaining childless or letting life take me where it has, it would surely be irrational, close to madness, for me to opt for the latter. And yet, I cannot bear to think that this lovely little girl might never have lived if I’d let my dread of fatherhood prevail.

You’ll do fine. I had my first at age 24, a year before finishing my bachelor’s. Had a 2nd before starting my masters. Paid for everything with no money from my parents and just a little help from in-laws. Used loans to pay for masters. Worked my butt off and scrimped, for sure. But I think you know how to do that.

Bollox. That was an awesome post.

Without going into details, I had a similar experience to Omni’s (except with a rather more traumatic ending, and without the rich parents) when I was too young to know a good thing when I had it. If I had a chance to do things differently, I would. 24 might now seem “too young” to be a dad, but you’ll realise later that it isn’t. The kids will be capable of wiping their own asses before you hit 40; and as long as you look after yourself, there’s a lot of life left after 40, and the older-and-wiser stuff that you’ve accumulated in the meantime will make things like postgrad studies a lot more fun (and easier to deal with). In any case, you’ll find that kids give you a different perspective on life, and you’ll discover that things like academic qualifications and the latest shiny car are not necessarily that important, in the grand scheme of things.

On the subject of money: make sure you’ve got this well under control by the time baby arrives. If you’ve got 300K savings already, it sounds like you know what you’re doing; but if you and the wife have disagreements about what money is and how money it should be used, sort them out now. Also, think carefully about what you consider a “comfortable life”. Does that mean being chained to the consumer treadmill, working a 9-to-5 just to feed your car and make payments to the bank? Everyone needs to feel that they’re doing something useful with their life, but you don’t have to be surrounded by Stuff to have a comfortable, fulfilling life.

As for accommodation: living expenses are not high, especially outside Taipei, where you can get a nice place in a nice town for less than $10K a month. Unless you get on very well with the in-laws (are they prepared to offer babysitting services?) it might be worth moving in with them. Don’t get sucked into baby consumerism - you don’t need expensive baby formula or glass jars of goo, hi-tech gadgets, disposable nappies - and you’ll save enough each month to buy/rent your own place. One of you stay at home and look after baby. Or take it in turns to do so. Or find contract work you can do at home. Offer tutoring. Don’t go to work in some shitty job just to pay for transport and a babysitter. What’s the point? And besides, nobody can look after your kid the way you can.

So, anyway, congratulations, and you’ll be surprised how things work out.

Congrats!!!

Savour the moment! You’ll do just fine. The money’ll come, so will the car seats, so will the power to stay awake at nights. :smiley: