Organized crime in (and of) Taiwan

[Kavalan]

@Brianjones

I’ve been threatened by mafia at work when I worked for a Taiwanese company .

Holy shit?! Care to tell more?

[crusher]

@Belgian_Pie

If it goes to court then ask for the footage of you destroying the camera, when they show it you have prove that they peeped on you, simple. Counter sue for invading your privacy.

I have been witness to a negotiation with loan sharks that showed up several time at the office threatening my employer. Ones your involved in that stuff, not easy to get out. In the end he and the family fled to Shanghai (or somewhere else in China).

Yeah I’ve known at least two who fled to Australia to hide the loan sharks. They generally go after the family of the victim , especially threarening the person’s little kids…
scumbags

[Brianjones]

@crusher

Yeah I’ve known at least two who fled to Australia to hide the loan sharks. They generally go after the family of the victim , especially threarening the person’s little kids…
scumbags

I also know a family that moved to Brazil.Toe escape the debt collector . These debt collector are actuslly hired by regular banks.
Seems a bit counterproductive that one, moving to Brazil.

The mafia called to the company I was working for due to a shareholder dispute.
I was one of the only staff in the office that day , who was more surprised with this encounter…I don’t know…they left after delivering their message and generally ranting and raving. One of the shareholders hired them.

I’ve also been at meetings where it was discussed whether to get some brothers involved in a dispute or not.

[crusher]

@Brianjones

@crusher

Yeah I’ve known at least two who fled to Australia to hide the loan sharks. They generally go after the family of the victim , especially threarening the person’s little kids…
scumbags

I also know a family that moved to Brazil.Toe escape the debt collector . These debt collector are actuslly hired by regular banks.
Seems a bit counterproductive that one, moving to Brazil.

The mafia called to the company I was working for due to a shareholder dispute.
I was one of the only staff in the office that day , who was more surprised with this encounter…I don’t know…they left after delivering their message and generally ranting and raving. One of the shareholders hired them.

I’ve also been at meetings where it was discussed whether to get some brothers involved in a dispute or not.

Actually a “friend” of mine is Taiwanese Brazilian he went back there over a dispute in Taiwan about counterfeit medicines (got to be one of the most immoral ways to make money). He was a "friend " but I never trusted him and kept my distance after that, anyone involved in counterfeit medicines has to be a real douchebag.
There is quite a large community of Taiwanese in Paraguay too where they pump out a lot of the fake Rolexes and such like.

[crusher]

@Brianjones

I agree and I’ve 20 years under my belt, much of it working with Taiwanese daily.

Mafia don’t get involved in regular biz disputes where I’m from, but they do here. I’ve been threatened by mafia at work when I worked for a Taiwanese company .

Also tonnes of petty lawsuits about trivial shit and a culture of passive aggressive behaviour and stealing from, ripping off business partners who are supposed to be ‘friends’.

Snide comments about co-workers weight or color or race, especially to females.

Jealousy , back biting and envy of some foreigners for having a job or getting treated relatively well.

Ignoring child abuse is or was a big problem
or at least a reluctance to get the authorities involved.

Hopefully many of those issues above are becoming lessened with the younger generation. You might not encounter them so much you don’t work here in Taiwanese businesses. But as we see the same can happen with neighbours.

Some friendly folks for sure. Foreigners are generally pretty welcome . Most people just getting through their day.

My biggest problem is not any of that though, I find most locals too damn quiet and shy these days and there’s a general awkwardness around ‘foreigners’. Never thought I’d say that 20 years ago!

They’re still here but most of the big gangs mainly put their money in legit businesses these days such as real estate. There are lots of smaller , and much younger gangs around these days. That will murder for a 3000NTD debt just to make a point. Yup I mean 3000 about 100 bucks US
To knock of a foreigner the limit would go up of course, (I mean westerner )

[Kavalan]

Wonder what is actually going on in this country with organized crime.

See many what look like ex gang members selling food on side of road street carts, putting up the August ghost money structures outside office buildings etc. I assume from the tattoos

Are all these telecom scammers gang members ?

The sex industry and the binlan girls… the loan sharks … I guess they’re everywhere

[Belgian_Pie]

@Kavalan

See many what look like ex gang members selling food on side of road street carts

You need to launder your money somehow.

[crusher]

@Kavalan

Wonder what is actually going on in this country with organized crime.

See many what look like ex gang members selling food on side of road street carts, putting up the August ghost money structures outside office buildings etc. I assume from the tattoos

Are all these telecom scammers gang members ?

The sex industry and the binlan girls… the loan sharks … I guess they’re everywhere

The telecom scammers are usually in.gangs but low ranking and basically nothing to be physically worried about.
As for debts.
Basically if you borrow money the debt can be sold off to the gangs. So.lets say person.A owes 500 000NTD to person B. If person B can provide adequate proof to a gang that this is true then they can sell the debt off. The gang recovers the debt but person B may only get let’s say 50%.
However person B figures 50% is better than nothing so he sells off the debt.

[Brianjones]

Yep that’s how it works. Legitimate bad debts with legal banks often end up in the hands of these gangs. It’s bad stuff.

[Belgian_Pie]

@Brianjones

Yep that’s how it works. Legitimate bad debts with legal banks often end up in the hands of these gangs. It’s bad stuff.

@crusher

Basically if you borrow money the debt can be sold off to the gangs. So.lets say person.A owes 500 000NTD to person B. If person B can provide adequate proof to a gang that this is true then they can sell the debt off. The gang recovers the debt but person B may only get let’s say 50%.
However person B figures 50% is better than nothing so he sells off the debt.

How do you think legal debt collectors in the US work? Crooked companies, borderline criminal.

[Pendulum]

Most gangs are not very large. What you see for the most part are the wannabes and the klingons . Everyone wants to act tough and get lots of tattoos but at the end of the day, they still have to sell shit at markets to make ends meet.

[chamele0n]

@Kavalan

The sex industry and …

asking for a friend, where did you see them most often?

[chamele0n]

just a bunch of hateful wannabes who can get tattoos but not the guts to be what they wanna be

[Kavalan]

Brothels. In my huuuuring days

[Brianjones]

I was watching a movie with the wife and it was about hitmen.
The fee per hit is discussed and comes out at 2000 pounds. I tell the wife that it’s only 80000ntd.
She goes 'so expensive ’ .
I think you might be right

[crusher]

@Brianjones

I was watching a movie with the wife and it was about hitmen.
The fee per hit is discussed and comes out at 2000 pounds. I tell the wife that it’s only 80000ntd.
She goes 'so expensive ’ .
I think you might be right

yeah I really hurt my career opportunities coming here , I was hoping for 20 000 US per hit but the going rate is 2000! Wages are really stagnating.

[Pendulum]

I don’t think so. There is only so much space at the top and a limited amount of money. The people at the top don’t want to share with everyone. If someone steps out of place, the get fucked up and put in line. Who gets to join? Family, close friends, people they can trust. It’s the same everywhere.

[chamele0n]

they need soldiers.the soldiers are typically local junkies

[CTaitung]

@Brianjones

I was watching a movie with the wife and it was about hitmen.
The fee per hit is discussed and comes out at 2000 pounds. I tell the wife that it’s only 80000ntd.
She goes 'so expensive ’ .
I think you might be right

she only said that to put you off her scent

[therainmaker]

do you mean that bing lang stands tend to be owned by organized crime?