I don’t know whether your article mentioned the department’s budget woes, but plenty of other sources did. Apparently you just noticed this story, but I read about the small officer, large prisoner, prior security problems and $ shortage last week or so.
[quote]Sheriff Myron Freeman has clearly been staggered by the courthouse violence. At news conferences, he repeatedly mentioned that he has been on the job just two months. He could not answer questions about how courthouse deputies are trained, or why a 51-year-old, 5-foot female deputy was left alone with an uncuffed, 6-foot-1, 200-pound former college linebacker on trial for rape. . . Freeman said simply, “We’re reassessing and re-evaluating.”
Freeman . . . took office in January, replacing Sheriff Jackie Barrett. Barrett was suspended after sinking $7.2 million in taxpayer dollars in a money-losing investment fund and accepting campaign contributions from businessmen who stood to benefit from those investments.
The worst problems, though, appeared to be at the county jail, which was monitored by the federal government for six months last year because of security lapses and squalid conditions[/quote]
#[quote]3 Upper Body Strength
1 Minute Minimum Number of Pushups
For male pushups, the hands are placed about shoulder width apart. The test administrator places a fist on the ground below the applicant’s chest (male applicants only). Starting from the ‘up’ position (elbows fully extended), the applicant must keep his back straight at all times and lower his body toward the floor until his chest touches the administrator’s fist. The applicant then returns to the ‘up’ position. Resting is only allowed in the ‘up’ position.
For female (modified) pushups, the applicant should have her knees on the ground with her back straight and her hands slightly ahead of the shoulders and shoulder width apart for the ‘up’ position.[/quote]
This would appear to be a major difference between female and male physical entrance requirements in my opinion.
[quote]Sheriff Myron Freeman has clearly been staggered by the courthouse violence. At news conferences, he repeatedly mentioned that he has been on the job just two months. He could not answer questions about how courthouse deputies are trained, or why a 51-year-old, 5-foot female deputy was left alone with an uncuffed, 6-foot-1, 200-pound former college linebacker on trial for rape. . . Freeman said simply, “We’re reassessing and re-evaluating.”
Freeman . . . took office in January, replacing Sheriff Jackie Barrett. Barrett was suspended after sinking $7.2 million in taxpayer dollars in a money-losing investment fund and accepting campaign contributions from businessmen who stood to benefit from those investments.
The worst problems, though, appeared to be at the county jail, which was monitored by the federal government for six months last year because of security lapses and squalid conditions[/quote]
Where does it say underfunded? Barrett lost $7.2 million in taxpayers dollars but that does not say that the department is underfunded. Again, why is this woman alone with this man? AND should she even be a police office? Three lives were lost because of this decision. Who is going to take the blame? Women’s libbers?
Also who are Barrett and Freeman? Why are they in their jobs? Are they being penalized for this? Why was nothing done about this BEFORE?
What else is she supposed to do, Fred? She’s too old to be a prostitute and may not know how to cook or clean house – you know how women are these days.
See that’s what I like about you MT. You remind me of James Earl Carter. You never let facts or commonsense get in the way of principles.
The funding problem was most likely related to a pension fund. This happens quite frequently these days. I see no proof that underfunding is a problem here. How does underfunding get involved with the decision to send a 5 foot 51 year old grandmother to guard a rapist who is young, muscular, a college football star and no doubt “good looking” and “popular” as well?
You like to hyperventilate don’t you. So immediately if I suggest that this woman is not qualified to be a policewoman, you suggest that the only alternative to her is prostitution? How does that figure? Nice emotional response though. I can almost hear Alien and hysterics thereof?
Is there an issue here that needs to be examined? Are three lives dead because of political correctness? Should this woman have been allowed to serve as a police officer in this dangerous situation? There is much more here than just catering to your ideas of what should or should not be allowed. This is a serious issue involving a very serious matter: I am sure that the three dead victims are not smirking or smiling nor are their families about your “she’s too old to be a prostitute what else would you have her do?” quip. That is exactly what is wrong with you MT. I simply fail to understand how you can make light of the fact that three people are dead. Maybe they should go out and become prostitutes since their mother or father lies dead at the hands of this criminal which was able to overpower this woman to get her gun and shoot them! Hoohah! I just cannot stop laughing at that suggestion. Typical liberal inability to look at any issue seriously and take responsibility.
I don’t think that the issue needs to center on the fact that she is a woman. It seems more of a size issue. The guy is huge and she is small. I’m 5’11", 180 lbs, exercise regularly, run road races, lift weights, etc. However, I am sure that Mr. Nichols could have kicked my ass as well.
It seems irresponsible and unwise to let a small officer of either gender escort a potentially dangerous and large individual all alone. It seems to me the officer
[quote=“smerf”]I don’t think that the issue needs to center on the fact that she is a woman. [color=red]It seems more of a size issue.[/color] The guy is huge and she is small. I’m 5’11", 180 lbs, exercise regularly, run road races, lift weights, etc. However, I am sure that Mr. Nichols could have kicked my ass as well.
[color=red]It seems irresponsible and unwise to let a small officer of either gender escort a potentially dangerous and large individual all alone[/color]. It seems to me the officer
It is obviously a question of size BUT let’s say that a 180 lb man was alone with this guy. Do you think that he might have been better able to control him and fight him off until help arrived. If you were 180 lbs and regularly lifting weights, do you think that this man would have been able to take the keys off of you? Do you think that maybe the rapist in question was encouraged to believe that he could get away with the attack precisely because he was being guarded only by this woman?
I have no problems with 200 lb ex football player women being policemen and it is a question first and foremost of size but I am suggesting that this woman may have been able to get her job because a certain number of women were necessary to fill a certain number of expected quotas. What do you think of that?
I suspect she got the job because she wore a short skirt to the interview; and she probably wore the same short skirt on the day of the attack, thereby inducing the attack. On the other hand, I suspect that a short skirt worn by Mr. Smerf would not have had the same effect.
In summary, this was a case of poorly managed security that is being used by right-wing crackpots to attack the left.
After all it was a touchy feely single welfare mom that convinced the guy to give himself up without killing anyone else.
That’s all very well if she got in via the quota, but is there a quota on who gets assigned to guard the prisoner? If not, it’s irrelevant.
I don’t know what I’m doing in IP anyway. Don’t say “filling the quota” [/quote]
What about “filing” the quotas. [/quote]
Two sugars for me and just a touch of milk thanks darling. And see if you can’t rustle up some biscuits, would you? There’s a love.
Perhaps, but I don’t know how far from help these people were and it doesn’t take long to ko someone if you know how to fight. I’ve seen boxing matches between fighters of equal size where one guy hits the other with one punch and the guy is out cold. I think this guy should have been escorted with no less than 2 officers and maybe more.
I think I already stated that he could have kicked my ass. Such an ass kicking would include taking possession of the keys.
Yes, but he would probably have been just as encouraged with anyone significantly smaller than him. From what I understand, he was a very desperate individual, which also means a very dangerous one.
I don’t know anything about the Fulton County Sheriff Department’s hiring practices.
Don’t you watch CSI Miami? Haven’t you seen the hot blond on that show (played by the same actress who was the super smart Republican on the West Wing’s White House staff)? She does a good job and carries a big gun so lay-off the ladies!
Deputy Sheriff Cynthia Hall died in the line of duty. I do not have much patience for using an officer’s death as grist for some anti-feminist horseshit. First, there exist legitimate arguments that can be made pro and con about female deputies serving in the jails. Secondly I answer this based on my considerable experience in and around jails that came from my years as a Public Defender in Victorville and Barstow California. Third two of my cousins are San Diego cops (actually retired at this point).
Now-to put it in rap terms-let me throw down some education.
First; escapes like the Atlanta one are always going to happen—period. There is a number of reasons for this, the major one being the inmates have all day every day to ponder their escapes. The bailiffs and jailers do not have all day every day to ponder ways to stop escapes. I know this well because two of my clients escaped (although both were later caught).
Second: man versus woman has nothing to do with this. I have had the “good fortune” to be on a first name basis with several hundred felony inmates and if the motivation level gets high enough they can and will overpower anyone. And when I say anyone I am not talking about Arnold The Terminator or Bruce Lee
This is not laying on the ladies. This is asking a serious question. In this case, did affirmative action hiring policies play a role in this woman being hired for this particular position. I have also posted the New Mexico physical exam which as I understand it fairly similar to most. Men must do pushups the normal way. Women are allowed them to do them on their knees. Now to me this implies very different standards of chest strength.
Again, I am NOT saying this is a question of women. I am saying it is a question of THIS woman and I want to know why she was unarmed, alone and with this much stronger man.
Just on a side note as a laugh, we have equal hiring practices in our office etc too but guess who gets to lug the 5 gallon water bottle to the cooler whenever it needs to be replaced? All I am saying is that there are in many cases physical differences between men and women that are relevant in many cases to whether they are suited for hard physical labor. This includes police, fire departments and the armed forces. They are not there to be sexist but are there for commonsense reasons based on physical characteristics.
I find the typical kneejerk reaction by some of the liberal posters on this thread typical. Women and Men are Equal and I won’t hear another word about it. Okay, well three people are dead. I think they deserve an answer. Anyone else think this should be looked into a bit more?
Richardm: Not every one of my posts is a veiled or naked attempt to bash the liberal, though for the life of me, I cannot recall the last one that wasn’t!
Someone in charge dropped a massive bollock on this one! That guy is plainly a hardcore mother fucker and needed to be dealt with accordingly. I would imagine that any police facility would have more suitable officers to deal with this kind of criminal than to leave him with the officer they chose. I would question why that officer was on the rota for such a case. Of course, it isn’t every day that some guy overpowers an officer of the law, shoots up the judge and whoever else he is pissed off with, then fucks off in a car. (Well, not round 'ere.) But surely there should have been 2 massive officers - of either sex ( viva la butch femme!) - watching him.
Now there will be some massive enquiry into all this, then an enquiry into that, and then a conference at the end.
