Over 70% of naturalised citizens from one country

True. And don’t forget Vietnam’s history with China. The short shooting war in 1979 between the two. It’s almost a natural fit between Taiwan and Vietnam (against China).

The fact that it is falling is a GREAT thing. It is a repulsive practice from the very beginning. It ought to be banned altogether if you ask me. Just ask yourself if it was YOUR daughter who had to be sent to somewhere richer in such degrading fashion.

And FYI, the number of international marriage is dropping in Korea as well. Like Taiwan, marriage with a Vietnamese woman is also the no.1 over there.

http://www.koreadailyus.com/international-marriage-decreasing-in-south-korea/

You want to ban cross-cultural marriages? Will there be some sort of test to be administered? You know, like a racial-purity test, sort of thing?

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Are you playing dumb again? I made it pretty clear that mail-order bride service ought to be banned. Not international marriages.

And how do you legally define what a “mail order bride” is?

The problem with making things illegal is that you have specify precisely what it is you’re banning, and where shades of grey exist, things tend not to work out well.

If you spend more than five minutes thinking about what you’re proposing, you’ll realise that it inevitably involves intrusive, degrading and rather pointless interventions by rubber-stamp-wielding officials.

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Isn’t it obvious? Ban the agencies and the brokers.

Lovely. Define “agency” and “broker”. Does Tinder count?

It’s very hard to fix dysfunctional behaviours in other countries by fiddling around with the laws of your own.

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“mail-order” brides are no longer an Asian thing.
If someone wants a white-looking gal, just go see the females from Russian, Ukraine, or any one of the -Stan’s that were part of former USSR that are promoting themselves as marriage material.

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Those that receive money to get women in Vietnam to marry in Taiwan.

Is anyone using tinder to get Vietnamese women to Taiwan and profiting from it?

Tinder.

The whole argument over Uber revolved around a similar point of contention.

While I agree that it’s an unsavoury situation having women climb the socio-economic ladder in this way, it’s not like it’s something new. They’ve done it since time immemorial.

Basically you’re suggesting that (male?) lawmakers should constrain their freedom to do this on the basis that it subverts male sexual control over their own bodies. AFAIK Vietnamese women don’t get “sent” to Taiwan; they do it of their own free will, sometimes to escape their dumbass parents and a stifling attitude to women. It’s not necessarily about money, and even if it were, that’s really nobody’s business except their own.

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It’s not a great situation though is it? Having to rely on imported Vietnamese breeding stock to boost the birth rate.

Sorry for not being always perfect in capitalisation :roll:

Idk what you’re trying to say with the comparison of Uber. Tinder is a dating app. If anyone’s profiting from it then it’s prostitution/escort.

You can say the same about some human trafficking cases. Doesn’t make it right.

Part is that the financials are bad for young people and can’t afford to have kids… and then eventually an entire generation got raised that way and now they simply don’t WANT to have kids, even if they have the money , as it cramps their style.

Can’t say I blame them.

It also doesn’t help that parents insist their girl only marries the richest doctor, so they turn down others so as to live the comfort life (at the behest of the parents). Thus we have all these women and men in their 30’s single and no prospects. That isn’t helping the birth rate either.

Cute Vietnamese girls are culturally enriching Taiwan and helping solve the low birth rate issue. Bring them on!

hm? I wasn’t poking fun at your capitalisation. The answer to your question is “Tinder”. They make money out of arranging hookups … or marriages, or any of the myriad permutations in between, at the private discretion of those involved. Doesn’t that make Tinder an “agent” or a “broker”?

Your views on woman’s right to do as she pleases with her own body are surprisingly … patriarchal. You seem to suggest that a woman is doing something immoral by maximizing her economic and reproductive opportunities, when men have complete freedom to do that.

There are a whole lot of things that “aren’t right” that people nevertheless choose for themselves and that the government is essentially powerless to prevent - especially when such decisions are more-or-less rational, in context. Sure there are some naive people who get smuggled across borders and into slave labour or prostitution, but there are also many who take the gamble on the basis that ANYTHING is better than what they’re living with at the moment.

Goverments can’t stop people from making bad life decisions. What they absolutely can and should do is not create conditions that make people seriously consider those bad decisions. Shitty governments (those who create fucked-up economies, for example, creating a flood of economic refugees) should be subjected to FAR more international pressure than they actually are.

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Tinder profits from the advertisements and VIP memberships (and other features I’m not aware of), like all other social media applications. They don’t charge the users like the mail-order bride agencies and the brokers do. There is also practically zero potential of exploitation and minimal probability of physical threat to the users.

I never suggested that a woman can’t maximise her economic and reproductive opportunities. I am against exploitation and degrading treatments, which mail-order brides are very often trapped in.

Take a look at this advertisement and tell me this should not be illegal.

I’ve never actually used Tinder, but as I understand it you have to pay a fee to actually communicate with people, ie., there’s no chance of meeting anyone unless you pay. Even if Tinder doesn’t do precisely that, I know there are apps that do.

So this seems like a hair-splitting distinction to me. How would you codify that distinction into law? Anyway, it seems that your main objection here is that there is money involved, rather than the actual nature of the relationship. Why is that exactly?

You’ve got to be kidding. I read somewhere that Craigslist shut down their Personals section precisely because people were getting date-raped, or ensnared in other scary situations.

Apparently Tinder and similar apps are used extensively to con horny men into buying expensive crap. But I suppose that’s not abuse, since it’s women doing it to men?

Some of them might well be, but you really haven’t explained how you could fix this with legal measures. The point is, plenty of them are probably not exploited and degraded (or at least no worse than they would be back in Vietnam), so somewhere along the line you need a legal test for exploitative vs. not-exploitative. These schemes simply wouldn’t be popular if they actually involved a worse outcome than the women would get from the traditional route, would they?

Why do you think it should be illegal? Pretend I’m an idiot and explain your train of thought here. Again your legal test needs to reliably capture this but not Tinder (which apparently you have no problem with).

I agree it’s unsavoury, but if you’re dumb enough to hand over 200K to someone in exchange for sourcing a woman to marry, I’d say that’s your own lookout.

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maybe can read up on the history of matchmaking. Won’t be going away anytime soon.

The History of Matchmaking and the Function of Intermediaries in the Marriage Market

https://www.talenteck.com/articles/academic/Matchmaking%20and%20Marriage%20Intermediaries.pdf

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I hate the app but I have used it before (shameful, I know) and no, you don’t have to pay a fee to actually communicate with people. It’s like Facebook or Instagram. It’s completely free. Most dating apps are.

There have been cases of rape due to Tinder and other dating apps, but they are extremely rare.

I don’t think you understand what Tinder and other dating apps are like at all. No one buys crap on those apps. They are essentially like any other website where you can meet people, it’s just more superficial as you judge them based on their profile pictures.

I am not overly familiar with Vietnamese society, and it probably is true that they probably are just as exploited and degraded in Vietnam, but the problem with the mail-order bride business is how utterly deprived of human dignity these women are on the advertisements. They are being treated like lifestocks.

Again, you really don’t have any idea about what Tinder is like. They are not comparable. No one writes guaranteed virginity on their profile.

Perhaps because it’s marriage and not hump-and-dump-land (Tinder), and thus some people may still care about meeting a future wife who is also not looking for hump-and-dump guys. A virgin on Tinder wouldn’t last probably more than one date, right?

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