Passenger of a drunk driver

[Explant]

@tempogain

@anon24369109

The law is that if you know someone has been drinking

Actually, it seems simply being a passenger is enough, past certain driver blood alcohol levels

Road Traffic Management and Penalty Act - Article Content - Laws & Regulations Database of The Republic of China (Taiwan)

Article 35

Should a driver take the test, and the alcohol level exceeding 0.25mg/L of exhalation or 0.05 in blood, the passenger over 18 years old shall be fined NT$600 to NT$3,000.The passenger who is older than 70 years old, or takes the automotive transportation enterprises vehicles, has mental disorder are excluded.

Thanks for clarifying it.

If one is a minor, old or mental ill, excluded. Otherwise, one better school up on narcotics use if in a non commercial passenger vehicle!

That’s its. OP, you got your legal answer. Looks like a fine. I would still ask, anonymously, how it might affect any government records on your id/name. Personally I would fight it if I was to find out it would be recorded on ANY of my files with the government.

[anon24369109]

@Explant

If one is a minor, old or mental ill, excluded.

Well you know which one to claim if it happens to you then.

[Explant]

@anon24369109

@Explant

If one is a minor, old or mental ill, excluded.

Well you know which one to claim if it happens to you then.

I don’t make such retarded decisions. If I did get fucked for someone else’s crime, I would absolutely fight it, however.

[anon24369109]

@Explant

That’s its. OP, you got your legal answer. Looks like a fine

Which is what the OP wrote. He was given a fine. He can of course contest it. A max 3k fine is not likely to see someone have a work ARC cancelled. I know some students on ARC’s had their student ARC’s cancelled for DUI. One complained he could not afford the 120k fine and if not paid he would be held in an immigration detention center if not paid.

DUI driving certainly is.

[anon24369109]

@Explant

I don’t make such retarded decisions. If I did get fucked for someone else’s crime, I would absolutely fight it, however.

Well if you are in or on a vehicle you know the operator has been drinking then it’s your offence not just the DUI operator. Contest it all you like if caught.

[comfy123]

@Explant

If I did get fucked for someone else’s crime, I would absolutely fight it, however.

Then don’t join their crimes and you have nothing to worry about.

[Norm25]

I will pay the fine and I won’t contest it. I was just worried about my work permit.

Thank you all for your answers

[Explant]

@comfy123

@Explant

If I did get fucked for someone else’s crime, I would absolutely fight it, however.

Then don’t join their crimes and you have nothing to worry about.

Precisely.

Moving forward. What if you don’t know and you get fined. Which is my point. How can they prove you know? Admitting of guilt, witnesse seeing drinking together etc all add up. denial seems an easy out of this one. Unless the powers that be just loosely assume and punish withot evidence. In which case, there is an issue.

[anon24369109]

@Norm25

I will pay the fine and I won’t contest it. I was just worried about my work permit.

Thank you all for your answers

If it’s not a criminal offence like a DUI is then should not have any issues. More like a speeding ticket or parking infringement.

[anon24369109]

@Explant

What if you don’t know and you get fined.

Ignorance of the law in no excuse. The police obviously were told by the DUI rider the passenger knew he had been drinking. Not sure what Chinese the OP understands of what the DUI rider understands. To me sounds like the rider knows the law.

[Hamletintaiwan]

The rider threw his passanger under the scooter!

[comfy123]

@Explant

Moving forward. What if you don’t know and you get fined. Which is my point. How can they prove you know? Admitting of guilt, witnesse seeing drinking together etc all add up. denial seems an easy out of this one. Unless the powers that be just loosely assume and punish withot evidence. In which case, there is an issue.

If you’re caught in the wrong situation, proof of guilt often comes from association—whether it’s being seen with the wrong people, sharing benefits, or turning a blind eye. It’s like lending your car with faulty brakes: if someone gets killed or hurt, you’re still responsible. Denial won’t erase that connection. If there’s no real evidence, yes, it’s a problem. But usually, guilt is proven through witnesses or circumstantial ties, not just assumptions.

[Zllig]

this was not a just over the limit where you are fined NT$60k first offence without a court appearance.

I believe you still have a court appearance for your first offence.

[BigDave]

@comfy123

Some countries however if the driver is drunk they will breath test the passengers too and if they are drunk they too can be fined.

Which countries?

The only time i have have heard of police breath testing passengers is if they think they were the original drivers.

[Explant]

@anon24369109

@Explant

What if you don’t know and you get fined.

Ignorance of the law in no excuse. The police obviously were told by the DUI rider the passenger knew he had been drinking. Not sure what Chinese the OP understands of what the DUI rider understands. To me sounds like the rider knows the law.

Touche. Best gt them kiddos read up on all the different narcotic scents then! Easy for the inhalers, the sniffers it’s gonna be a rough one lol.

(No scent, hard to tell etc)

I guess we can basically call this similar to “guilty by association”. Or at least treat it as such.

[comfy123]

@BigDave

Which countries?

Australia
UK
Ireland
Norway
Sweden

[Norm25]

I didn’t know passengers get fines too, I learnt about it on that very day they gave me a ticket. I’ve been here for only three months and wasn’t familiar with this law since it doesn’t apply where I come from. But yes, I did know drunk driving is illegal.

This has been an eye opener for me to familiarise myself with the laws here.

[comfy123]

@Norm25

I learnt about it on that very day they gave me a ticket.

Well… you know now lol

[Hamletintaiwan]

Probably every country where you can form a sentese similar to this.

It can be assumed that the passenger new about the alcohol consumption

[anon24369109]

@Noma

This has been an eye opener for me to familiarise myself with the laws here.

When you move to another country it behooves one to learn that the laws are not the same as where you came from. Where you came from is irrelevant to any other countries laws.

So now you know and can tell others. It has been discussed a lot since this law was passed in an effort to cut down on drunk drivers. This came about when people were given very lenient sentences when they killed people from drunk driving. One well known British drunk driver here killed a guy and only got a very short sentence then fled the island. He tried to frame another for killing a guy delivering newspapers.