Points of discussion to make our lives better in TW (bureaucratically speaking)

Hello folks on the flob!

Going to have a deep dive discussion with the Better Living Committee of the ECCT to propose new changes in the next white paper to the government to make, as the name of the committee says, our lives better. Below the points I already made, feel free to add here some more you think make sense:

  • Most of the issues affecting even APRC holders here in TW is that APRC is not really that permanent. Yes, it has no expiration date and allows the holder to freely work and stay here, but depending on the APRC type (another plague of regulations, too many different APRC types, which are not all created equal) if you stay even just one year away it is revoked, some comes already with open work permit, some don’t. As you can see, this is a jungle! Hence, I do believe TW should learn a lesson from the neighbors in HK (notwithstanding all of their issues) and make the below changes:
    • Creating a concept of right of abode (which loosely translates to domicile 住所 and 戶所)even for foreigners holding APRC, like PRs in HK. So foreigners attaining APRC status can truly integrate and enjoy basically all rights of citizens minus the franchise and the draft (which requires citizenship), and also might even be allowed to apply for APEC cards like in HK. Basically taking nationality out for the picture for nearly all of administrative and life’s action and basing everything on residency (which to be fair would also help to “fend off” against a certain category of ROC nationals (read Chinese) which technically are not foreigners by the law, let’s remember that!). This is a difficult process, requiring an almost complete remodeling of the Household registration system to allow foreigners to enroll too. Hence, legislative actions at LY and then all sorts of administrative amendments at the EY concerning mostly the Ministry of the Interior departments of Household Affairs and the NIA. This would even potentially allow foreigners on APRC to have the ID number assimilated to the citizens one (so shifting from the 8-9 second digits on the APRC to 1-2 like citizens based on sex) and circumvent completely all the silly issues with providers not accepting foreigners A(P)RC numbers. To be honest, the most sensible solution would be to get rid altogether of this distinction and just issue (like in HK) ID numbers which are valid for life and undiscerned between citizens and foreign residents, just based on the registration place and sex, then all sort of restrictions can be found on the ID/A(P)RC (like in HK, the system works wonders)
    • Getting rid of most APRC types and standardize it as much as possible with 3 potential routes to attain PR, all of the below categories should then be the same as for rights, no more differences, APRC is APRC:
      • Spouse (5 years residency while married to a citizen or another A(P)RC holder sounds sensible)
      • Work (5 years residency still sensible, still lower than HK (7 years) and many other Western countries)
      • Special professionals (Gold Card or graduates from TW universities, 3 years residency is a very good incentive)
  • Once the above is done, basically 90% or more of the issues currently affecting foreigners living here would be gone, as the system here in TW all revolves around the Household registration to confer rights, however, as said, that exercise will take a massive amount of effort and time, and it might be a tough sell to LY as new laws/amendments of laws have to be passed first, it’s not a mere administrative change. Hence some more easily attainable change which would already improve the situation can be taken via administrative actions of the EY:
    • Prohibition of telco providers to ask for a guarantor or security deposit to A(P)RC holders, this would just be an effective enforcement and application of consumer protection laws which are already enacted, but not enforced. Not difficult at all to implement, but the NCC and other watchdogs have to be “persuaded” that this is actually their duty. Right now they don’t think so.
    • Allow even ARC holder to use the ARC to sign up for telecommunication contracts (right now all ARC holders are forced to use the passport and the ARC is not recognized as an ID document at all by them, had a lengthy mediation process with Taipei City Gov about this against Taiwan Mobile). Not difficult at all to implement, but the NCC and other watchdogs have to be “persuaded” that this is actually their duty. Right now they don’t think so.
    • Prohibition for any service provider to discriminate against A(P)RC vs National ID numbers on their online/mobile apps portals to allow foreign residents to access freely to online applications and services without any extra effort than a citizen (again, mere application of consumer protection laws, not writing anything new, just never enforced as they can’t be bothered). Also here not that diffucult to implement
    • Forcing NIA to implement an A(P)RC API verification system like the Dept of Household affairs has to verify online all national ID details. Currently all service providers to verify the authenticity of an A(P)RC have to manually go to a website run by NIA and enter all the details and then print-out the report generated to validate the certificates. Absolutely bonkers. This is the main reason why providers do not allow foreigners to sign-up online to anything, since they need this manual intervention and don’t have the manpower to do so (or the will). This would open up any online application for services to us. NIA has already all the details also of our passports, so they can check against to total set of docs. This requires some development work from NIA, but no administrative changes and no legislative action, they will need to issue new directives probably to give the new SOPs to the providers and other regulators which would use this service (FSC, NCC, Central Bank)
  • Standardise and make more comprehensive the Senior Foreign Professional Exemption for naturalizations. Ok, we would probably never convince the LY to pass an amendment to the Nationality Act to get rid of this unfair and insulting provision, but there are administrative ways to basically make this requirement almost moot. I.e. standardize and lower the requirements to get this exemption so to allow most of foreign professionals to naturalize without renouncing. There wouldn’t be any legislative change, just a revision of the instructions and directives on how to interpret who is a senior foreign professional. There are just so many Nobel Laureates, and I reckon not many want to come to Taiwan to naturalize.

All of this, plus ban the operation of any motorized vehicles.

[!quote] taiwantoday.tw
The NDC said further legislative amendments are in the pipeline to make Taiwan an even more friendly working destination for people from around the world. These include allowing foreign professionals’ spouses to seek employment in Taiwan, extending the stay for digital nomads to two years, shortening the time for qualified foreign nationals to obtain permanent residency to one year and providing more social security protection. (SFC-E)

https://www.taiwantoday.tw/Economics/Top-News/269795/NDC-lauds-success-of-foreign-professional-recruitment-initiatives

Thank you @Mataiou for your tireless efforts in making this place better.

The one point (which may be hard to change) concerns HK as point of reference. Going this way may provide an unfortunately easy way for stubborn opponents to dismiss these legitimate concerns.

It seems in the past using Singapore (not HK) as a reference point received nods of approval all around, blue and green alike. I wonder if there is any way to tweak things in this respect.

Cheers, and thanks again for your service to our community! :salute:

Guy

I mean, this is just to make the point with ECCT, would use this with Gov. Would maybe use the example of some European countries. Like in Italy foreigners can establish domicile, register their own households, get a proper tax ID which doesn’t different from citizens and works as UID.

I think removing any difference between national and citizen IDs as well as creating an API for verification will solve most problems.

Also what about being able to use a drivers licence and NHI card for online ID verification? This would work for other categories of foreigners as well without an ARC who need services- WHV, regular visitors.

This is how ID works in Australia. We all use our drivers licence and medicare card for any services that require ID. Come to think of it the only time my husband’s passport is shown (he is Aus PR) is when he gets a job so they can verify his right to work. Which citizens need to do as well.

Oz and most common law countries don’t have ID cards per se though, hence why using other pieces of ID as actual ID. TW has an ID, like most civil law countries (and in many cases it’s a mandatory document).

I am sorry to be blunt, but why would I need to care about visitors?

Talking from experience right? haha, yeah, should mandate just ARC for any stay above 6 months.

correct, but need to rethink the system to make that happen. Not an easy feat, but would be the best solution.

Was just an example.

Yes! It was a nightmare. My first introduction to bureaucracy :rofl:
It made me appreciate the way Aus runs quite a lot

The thing is you can use the Jian Bao Ka as a form of ID verification in many places, so I think this would be a reasonable proposal to extend it’s usage.

Do they give paper driver’s licenses like it is 1950?

Yeah, for 2 weeks while the real one is printed and posted :rofl: (*in VIC)

Although I just use the app these days

Whoever came up with foreigner rights in HK did a great job.

HK PR with foreign nationality cannot be deported.

HK PR with foreign nationality can sponsor their parents and dependents.

If a regular non-PR foreigner gets laid off from a job, they don’t have to leave right away and can stay til the end of their original visa expiration (at least for white collar, not sure for others).

Foreigner on visa can open bank accounts online and not excluded from financial services.

You don’t lose PR even as foreign national for life (though you lose right to vote if you don’t visit for a single day for 5 years if you are a foreigner).

Foreigner PR does not need to worry about maintaining/renewing a valid foreign passport (some countries have blocked passport renewals before due to civil unrest).

The list goes on. And this is just for foreigners and not the local nationals in HK. Singapore is similar but much less generous to PRs.

yep, it was an incredible exercise of compromise. In HK everything is based on residency, not nationality, for the obvious reasons (CHINA).

It would be great to indeed model the system likewise here too.

I agree, bringing China into the conversation is going to politicize and/or confuse the drones in charge of refilling the ink for the stamp pads. I also would strongly suggest avoiding any examples pertaining to China so that the objective isn’t derailed for all the usual retarded reasons.