Police "aggression" when discussing a parking fine - police won't let me file a complaint

he pushed you (for good reasons which you already made quite clear in your first thread). boohoo, cry me a river and get on with it. not even in lapland will the police have time for that kind of childish bs

Sometimes people moan about this or that person filing a human rights complaint. But that person is, like, really annoying! And the issue is trivial! Why should this be allowed? :rant:

The answer is simple: equality before the law – if annoying people and trivial issues are covered, we’re all covered. It’s worth remembering that “Miranda rights” are not named after a saint.

Or as they said when The People vs. Larry Flynt came out, the whole point of the movie is that if the smuttiest pornographer can enjoy freedom of speech, so can you and I.

Not that I would ever call my favorite Masala annoying or insinuate anything smutty about him… :whistle:


@mad_masala, instead of taking judicial action, consider contacting the Control Yuan. They should be able to sort out whether or not the correct procedures were followed.

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I get pushed at least once a week getting on or off the MRT.

IF pushing was a suable offense I feel some people out for a quick buck would be taking advantage of this already.

I think you know that’s not the same thing.

But yeah, some people don’t understand the rough life of us peasants down in the caverns because they’re too busy enjoying the high life up there on their personal motorized transport devices… :unamused: :motorcycle: :face_with_monocle:

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That’s true. Carmen was her name.

Pushing is assault in every country that I’ve seen. The difference between the pushing you receive on a subway and that elsewhere is that by going on to a busy subway you’ve assumed the risk of minor contact with other people. If people are doing more than that to you (i.e., pushing you out of malice rather than the normal bustle of a subway car), it is still assault.

This assumes that the force the officer wasn’t reasonable. It could easily be argued that MM was resisting arrest or constituted a threat and pushing him was reasonable.

He wasn’t resisting arrest, or else the officer would have used that line. (And to resist arrest, first you need to be under arrest.)

Interfering with his official duties by trying to get rid of the ticket? I don’t know.

There is never anything to be gained by being anything but extremely polite and respectful to police anywhere in the world. No matter how fat and stupid he is and how petty the infraction. Especially in Calhoun, Georgia.

A similarly dat and stupid Taipei cop hit me on my motorcycle once in Taipei pulling out from a side street. He tried to insist it was my fault and wanted to give me a ticket. I was hurt and my bike and his car were scratched. With all of the politeness I could maintain I asked him how the dents and my injury could have resulted from me hitting him. He “graciously” let me go. A friend pointed out how it was a total CYA attempt on his side since he had car damage to explain. No moral to this story. Just felt good telling it 20 years after it happened.

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Technically, no. It’s six of one and half a dozen of another for me. The officer shouldn’t have pushed MM, but had to get him out of the way somehow in order to issue a ticket for MM’s parking violation.

There comes a point where people have to be moved.

OK, my last contribution until someone says something relevant and related to the questions listed above.

The main issue here is that a resident was denied in one way or another his right of reporting an incident with a police officer. Moreover, there’s a special police division dedicated to “help” foreigners to deal with issues like this and the designated person seems to have lied quite blatantly.

I might have been right or wrong asking for time for moving the bike. It might have been more or less a stupid movement to face the police when doing so that the bike was behind me while he was trying to take the picture. Sure, I’m not claiming I’m right in that regards.

It’s about your rights to file a complaint or report an incident being denied because a cop would be investigated.

If the case had been super clear to them (that I was totally at fault and that the policeman didn’t do any bad), then… why all the bullshit about the lack of proofs (the have videos but they refuse to check them), that I cannot report an incident or file a complaint in a police station and I have to do it on the phone instead? why do they use terrible, retarded arguments like that the police says that he was attacked by me because I used English? why did the lied saying that I don’t have the right to be assisted in English, and that because I’m a resident and this is Taiwan my obligation is to speak Chinese?

There’s a lot of people here saying “you were lucky, in USA you would have been shot”. That’s :banana:ing retarded. Congratulations on your shithole of country where people die of starvation and overdose in every corner and police shoot suspicious people who steal candies in stores. Thanks God that’s not the norm in the rest of the civilized World, and it’s definitely not what normal people want in normal countries. True, you have also lots of bad guys shooting cops or other people in the street. This should tell you something about your shitty culture, right? so instead of trying to lecture a guy who tries to move a bike before he gets fine, shut up and reflex a bit about your sinister culture of violence.

Going back to topic. This is about rights. Was my behaviour wrong? if so, I wouldn’t mind to apologize. Does it deserve it a good push from a fat policeman? I don’t think so, and that’s why I go to a police station to report it. What the law says, I presume, is that they have to make a report on this, and I have the right to get a copy of it. They have to look at evidences. During this procedure, it COULD be normal that a person like the police woman tries to settle down things in a more amicable way. But… lying about my rights? denying a resident a basic service? what if things escalate and the policeman comes up with more bullshit and sues me? how can I gather the proofs for backing up my version, if they didn’t even take my statement of facts, give me a copy of it, and open an investigation securing copies of the available footage?

It’s :banana:in’ basic civil rights, you :crazy_face:. Today is just a stupid angry fat cop pushing a foreigner upset about a fine (yesterday I counted 8 scooters parked where this happened, none with a single ticket!). When tomorrow other bigger abuses happen, do you think that the “foreigners police” woman is going to help the foreigner telling him his rights…? if they didn’t want to put at risk this fat cop’s ass with something like a push, what do you think is going to happen when the cop might face a more serious legal situation? they are going to side by the stupid foreigner who used English for attacking the cop?

:banana:in’ LOL.

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could easily be argued that MM was resisting arrest or constituted a threat and pushing him was reasonable."

You see? and that would be a plain lie. How could I defend myself against such accusations if the police wanted to claim that? because I went to a police station to make sure that MY version was heard and that CAMERAS were checked, but it didn’t work out. If the fat cop was infuriated enough that day and he wanted to report some bullshit like that, I would have a hard time because they deliberately decided not to check his body camera. Why?

It’s what would be claimed.

Does anyone know if police officers are still allowed to use those hooks to pull riders off scooters who refuse to stop at roadblocks? There seems to be a fair allowance of physical contact between police and the public here.

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Make a formal complaint then, MM. I doubt anything will come of it, but at least you will have done your bit.

I have no idea about your nationality, but this is interestingly an East Asian way of thinking. When one does something wrong one should accept one’s punishment. It’s probably how the people MM was dealing with were thinking.

MM is looking at it from a more western way of thinking. The end wrong is the issue.

@mad_masala in case you’re not familiar with the CY (it seems not many people are), here’s some information.

https://www.cy.gov.tw/

Every now and then they’re in the news for issuing a report about something, pretty dull stuff, but once in a while they do something notable, like declaring a final court decision improper. A few years ago there was a human trafficking case with a foreigner whose first language was something obscure, and they said it wasn’t good enough for the court appointed interpreter to speak the main language of the foreigner’s country.

Also, I missed the part where you said this cop had a body camera; I thought you meant there was just a nearby surveillance camera. There certainly are issues with body cameras, and you still might not get the kind of evidence you want even if you do manage to get the body cam footage, but I think you raise some interesting questions here and should look into it further.

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I think that’s what @mad_masala tried to do but wasn’t able to, hence the thread.

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And that’s what 50% of the post is about.