I have avoided this topic amongst friends and family for years because it seems like tinfoil hat territory. But after years of eliminating other causes of headaches, mild nausea, hot flashes etc i can now be fairly certain when a wifi hotspot is created via my phones data i always get these reactions. For me it’s when in our house watching a movie or opening for someone elses phone. Or when out, but always indoors. Takes about 3 hours plus to start feeling a headache. Has happened with a few phone brands. So im starting to think it may be connected.
Anyone else notice similar or other physical reactions to such things? Presumably indoors is more likely, i dont notice it outdoors.
Yes, I notice some form of physical reaction to mobile data hotspots
No, I notice no form of physical reaction to mobile data hotspots
It does indeed sound not explainable. If you want to put your mind at ease, maybe you have a chance to do an experiment with a helper you trust?
The idea would be that this helper has a phone near you with this hotspot function either deactivated, or activated and used - but not telling you which it is. Both they and you secretly write down during each day if the function was on or off - you by your feeling, they by knowing. Then after for example 10 days you compare the notes.
This way to could check if your feeling correlates with the facts.
If you could actually detect such a wireless function with your body, it likely would be a scientific sensation.
I felt funny right after starting the use of WiFi in my place and I mentioned it on this site somewhere. People replied ‘no way’, ‘see a doctor’… Maybe I imagined it. Don’t feel anything different now. Maybe it was a coincidence or something. Maybe my super sensitive senses adjusted quickly.
From what I gather you live in a more rural place (?), but how is it when you’re in a town/city, where wifi networks are literally everywhere? There are also apps you can use to detect/analyze signal strengths.
I don’t think there’s currently any plausible explanation for the reaction you describe, based on how different wavelengths of EM radiation interact with matter/cells (which is fairly well understood).
I’m a licensed ham radio operator and EMR field strength is a real health issue.
Still, at sufficiently high power densities, EMR poses certain health hazards. It has been known since the early days of radio that RF energy can cause injuries by heating body tissue. In extreme cases, RF-induced heating can cause blindness, sterility and other serious health problems. These heat-related health hazards are called thermal effects. In addition, there is evidence that magnetic fields may produce biologic effects at energy levels too low to cause body heating.
When operating high powered radio equipment it’s required to monitor field strength and patterns to maintain a safe environment. I use a field strength meter for that purpose.
WiFi is in the ultra high frequency range of the EMR spectrum and the jury is still out on its effects even at low power levels, particularly as even higher energy level spectrums are opened up for communications:
In a few months, there’s going to be a lot more Wi-Fi to go around. The Federal Communications Commission voted today to open up a plot of spectrum in the 6GHz band for unlicensed use — the same regulatory go-ahead that lets your router broadcast over the 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands. That means there are now more open airwaves — a lot more — that routers can use to broadcast Wi-Fi signals. Once the new spectrum is officially opened for business later this year, that should translate to faster, more reliable connections from the next generation of devices.
Safety is also a concern. While RF energy isn’t known to cause major health problems, the research is still continuing. The levels that have been set by various standards bodies and the FCC are our best assurance that no ill effects on human health are expected from the normal operation of radio transmitters.
Thanks for the reply. I also feel its strange. Could very well be a coincidence. We tried experimenting a lot to see. But never a blind test as @olm suggests. Will give that a go these weeks and see if its related or not
There are no other wireless devices around us. Phone is the only one. We dont have routers or related in the house ,just use the phone hotspot. We dont even have a tv remote as our tv is just used as a computer monitor. i get similar sickness from the tv as well even without internet on. Our street has 3 houses all old folks and none with computers. Outside internet is just 2g, no one has bothered asking the company to upgrade here because no one uses it.
@Brianjones not migraine level. Small headaches and the nausea is more like that of being mildly car sick. It is solely indoors as far as i can tell ,and just smaller rooms. I get the same in some hotel rooms for example but not in the movie theater. Might be a time thing i rarely stay in places for long. Just home or other peoples houses. Our house has no AC and we often keep windows open ,so i doubt if its an air problem. I also get quite nauseated with plastics off gassing. Like new cars ,furniture etc. Quite sick. So our house is free of that stuff as well.
So without any wireless stuff around (except of course the 2G towers that you can’t switch off obviously)? That would be ultra-low levels of EM fields, much less than a device transmitting next to you (which is very low already). While I do take your feeling unwell serious, I’m afraid the connection to technology seems tremendously unlikely. I understand that this feeling is currently there and it might be hard to convince oneself one way or another if one doesn’t have deep understanding of what’s the technological details and how do they affect humans… together probably with the nowadays prevalent feeling “well science doesn’t know everything, so maybe there is still something?”
Maybe there is another factor that changes together with the presence/absence of the electronic devices? Like location (indoors vs. outdoors), activity level or body position (working standing/sitting vs. relaxing/laying down)?
Agreed . Im all for science. I am unbias either way, going to do the blind tests these weeks and see if its noticeable. So far over the past years we have just been eliminating things we might be it. Cell phone hot spot is the only thing that comes to mind so far.
@chris the sun does indeed. I am often sick (uncontrolled vomiting/the shits etc from both heat and sun stroke. My first decade in taiwan was met with 2 to 5 hospital visits every year due to this problem. Over te ears have learned to work differently and avoid such things . Though uv does indeed still cause nausea, headaches dizziness etc if needed to be out in it. Doesnt explain it though when not working outside for a few days and still get this at night when sting with friends or watching a movie.
@gain nothing to do with covid or vaccines. Its been happening since way before covid.
