Prices and changes in Taiwan (late 2024 edition)

I have not set foot in taiwan since 2012. So its been awhile. Was watching a bunch of youtube vids these days made by tourists from Korea/Japan/Phillippines to Taiwan and seeing the prices shown for coffee shop cakes and night market fare, etc. Wow prices are getting close to US prices as far as coffee and cakes and pies and the like at cafes. One good thing is how many awesome new cafes there are now. Taipei seems to have a really well developed cafe culture now. Even more so than before.
Taipei and Taiwan seems to be really cool now compared to my last visit in 2012. With lots of nice hotels (prices are UP though) and they seem to finally make an effort to make Taiwan more of a tourist attraction now.

NIght market fare seems to have gone up too, stil with many deals to be had.
Fruit at 150nt each for custard apple?? Ice dish with mango 150nt???

Yee gads maybe i cant afford to retire in taiwan either. Maybe try lesotho?

what say you??

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Avoid the tourist trap night markets, but I’ve found night markets to be fairly expensive honestly, even from back in 2012. It’s not so much that the individual foods are expensive, but rather it adds up really fast if you aren’t careful. But bubble tea prices isn’t anywhere near US level (over 5 bucks for soggy tapioca balls in Austin as of 2017) yet.

Standard prices for shaved ice seems to be around 60 or so, except in some places like Ximen there’s like only one ice place that’s charging 150 for mango ice, there isn’t many other ice places.

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Thanks input and as for changes I found from
vlogs that Taipei buses seem quite empty much of the time very much not the case when I was in Taiwan how packed the buses often were

Guess the MRT has really made bus riding more accessible with a good chance of a seat

I just bought an extra large latte for 70NT, so just over $2. I don’t know, is that expensive?

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Yes buses tend to have less people compared to MRT as far as seat availability goes, but buses are also slow as hell. A trip would take much longer on a bus than MRT, though some routes the bus is faster because they take a more direct route (whereas the MRT just loops around quite a few places), for example Xinjhuan to Banchiao.

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Buses are usually busy, im lucky if i get a seat.

Cafes cakes are pretty expensive. Theres one nearby selling cookies and scones for around 100 ntd each. How about no. Its almost a guarantee they aint up to par.

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Wrong.

Tommy hitting on the ladies in Tanzania at the Oldevai Gorge!

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I’m not sure US prices but in Taipei not only the price went up but the quality/portion went down a lot too. Is difficult to find good restaurants at good value, everything add up a lot even in mid restaurants. I’m cooking at home more than ever.

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The restaurants I go to went up 100pct in prices in last ten years and a lot of those increases were after
Covid and yet many closed

Prices went up and people stayed home

A bowl of PHo was 7 bucks 2014 and now 18 plus tax and service comes out to 20 bucks for a bowl of pho

Most entrees went up in my normal restaurant I go to from about 10 plus plus to 20 plus plus now

Used to spend 15 out the door at a simple Indian restaurant for a curry chicken and mango lassi to now over 30 dollars

We don’t have a lot of independent cafes like Taiwan does. Ours are all Starbucks and Peet’s and other chains and most any drink is five plus

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I was shocked on Vancouver Island recently when visiting at a Shopping Mall Food Court. 3 Phos, 3 Orange Julius drinks=75 cdn

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Right you can in Louisa etc but now most of the better cafes and independents are 120nt and up for a latte.

Which is approaching European prices or exceeding it for many countries. The coffee is very very good in Taiwan though.

Cakes and desserts also went rapidly up in price and sizes are small. Quality varies.

At least in Taiwan we aren’t getting hit with tipping culture generally .

Tommy you are right standards are way up in Taiwan and prices are going up but not US levels. You would love a lot of the coffeeshops here and they quite often have dogs and cats as well or are pet friendly (but not child friendly).

Night market standards no though and also getting less popular over time.

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PHO, thats T$650 wow. You can get five bowls in Taiwan.

Also for half the price get this meal for two in Southern Taiwan

Or in Japan, a light lunch for two

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This is nuts. Pho is on the expensive side in Taiwan but you’d spend a little under 200 if you wanted to eat yourself until you explode in Taiwan at a pho restaurant (one large pho and some sides).

Same with McDonalds, a little under 200 for a HUGE meal, this is after last week’s price increase.

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Yeah I eat at home now and maybe twice a month have a meal
Out

Used to eat two meals a day out everyday

Our prices are insane

Went to a Korean supermarket the other day
26 dollars for 8 chicken wings with a cup
Of rice and a Coke

That’s 780nt for what in a basement food court
at a Taiwanese supermarket would not be over 200nt

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Quarter pounder with cheese with fries and a coke is about 11 dollars here or about 330nf

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McDonalds here run promos at times. I think quarter pounder (they call it angus burger here) is about 80-something for the burger itself. Double quarter pounder is about 130 something for the burger itself. But the promo now is extra value meal and get free 4 piece, fries, or corn soup. Yes compared to the US it’s an incredible value. I got no idea what drove the prices up so much. Nobody wants to pay nearly 20 bucks for mcdonalds when you could go to a restaurant for a little more, and get better experience. No wonder mcdonalds are losing sales. That and ice cream machine never works (it doesn’t happen in Taiwan, get mcflurry anytime you want).

Quarter pounder with cheese with fries and coke in Taiwan would be around 180 or so.

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You can’t compare US restaurant prices to TW’s. Licensing “barriers” aside, a US restaurant is going to have a proper kitchen and at least a toilet for the employees to use, if not require a handicapped accessible toilet for customers (I think this varies by county, though the ADA might mean it’s required always?). The vast, vast majority of Taiwanese food places are not even large enough to have those things and still have room for anyone to sit down and eat. So they rely on taking over the sidewalk, the fire lane, even the road itself, to prepare food on and wash dishes in. Employees can hold it or walk to the nearest McDonalds, 7/FamilyMart with a toilet, etc. when nature calls. Customers know they will have to seek out their own toilet too. The exploitation of public spaces is a huge part of why it’s so cheap to eat out in Taiwan. In the US, you’re paying to rent a table for the time you sit there and it comes with space to actually sit, put your bag down, a place to poop if needed, unlimited napkins and salt packets, etc. Your NT$150 bowl of Pho (that’s what I see for two pieces of meat, broth, rice noodles, and onions/basil in Taipei these days) are getting you a single stool at a table that you’re expected to share with others if it’s the lunch rush. I suppose you can help yourself to unlimited hot sauce. You’re getting what you pay for. Which is fine, if you just want to sit at a stool and slurp your soup with strangers, but in the US, you’re paying for the experience and the fact that the owner didn’t just use everyone’s tax dollars to illegally multiply their retail space. If Taiwanese food places weren’t allowed to have their kitchens outside the clearly defined limits of the space they actually owned/rent, food prices would rival the US.

As for groceries, I shop at wholesale markets for my veggies and get my proteins from Costco. It’s about the same price per kilo/lb for proteins here as the US, though it depends on the meat. Alternative/veg meats are way cheaper in the US, as are beans and legumes. The veg is only cheap to me in TW compared to the US because it’s cheap compared to everywhere in Taiwan because I buy from wholesale markets. I could shop at Aldi and get similar produce prices in the US or I could shop at an organic farmers market in the US…and the prices would still be cheaper than the “organic markets” in Taiwan (where everything is triple wrapped in plastic. Great, just what I want, more landfill to lug home and then spend time disposing of). Carrefour and PX Mart have insane prices that constantly change — I saw two heads of broccoli for NT$180 a few weeks ago at Carrefour and it looked ready for the compost pile.

If you eat out all the time, TW can feel cheaper than the US, but the quality of your NT$200 delivery is not high. It’s usually quite garbage quality. The US has tons of “fresh, chef prepared meal” kits for around that price point that you can stock up on and keep in your fridge/freezer and heat yourself, without having to rely on some suicidal maniac on a scooter to deliver it to you. That stuff is way healthier and would be prepared in kitchens that actually follow some kind of heath code. I’ve worked in US food service. I know what goes on there. TW is still far worse from a health and safety standpoint.

In conclusion, only if you’re comparing apples and oranges has the US actually gotten more expensive than Taiwan. Otherwise, both places have their own version of prices going up and quality down.

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Yes but I can’t afford 780nt in a neighborhood restaurant that is far from
Posh for a bowl of pho with no drink or any sides

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I don’t spend a lot of time at Taiwanese basement food courts, but lately I haven’t seen much of anything for less than NT$300. I guess you can get some 燙青菜 and drinks for under that much, but if you actually want a meal, you’re going to be very limited in your NT$200 options. Not saying there aren’t any, just that there are very few.

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