Of course we had a whole year of news of presidential blow jobs in the US. 
Wouldnât it be nice if such trivialities, along with lecherous Paraguayans and ear lickers, really were newsworthy?
The Paraguayan is a victimizer or guilty because he deliberately spread STD by having sex with many women unprotected when he knows he himself has STD. That is against Taiwanâs criminal law and any moral standard.
Those girls who donât know how to protect themselves and thus get hurt are stupid, I donât deny that, but still, that doesnât justify the Paraguayanâs intentional behavior. If a mentally challenged person is conned all his savings by a bad guy, of course we can say the victim is stupid, but the fact that that victim is stupid doesnât make the fraud any less bad. I donât think itâs right to take advantage of peopleâs stupidity.
I may sound like blaming guys more, but thatâs because in this thread (or this kind of discussion) the vast majority tend to speak for âinnocentâ foreign guys, and thus I feel I need to give a balanced voice from that. 
Well, I hope they learn something from the experience. Next time, it could be a lot worse. With you, whom Iâm assuming is a Taiwanese female, saying theyâre stupid, then obviously thereâs a great need for sex education in Taiwan. But one question: Had it been a local, not a foreigner infecting so many women with an STD, would we have still seen this crap splashed all over the news? I find the whole thing reeks of xenophobia, similar to those ads they used to show at movie theatres of cartoon caucasians with AIDS.
Perhaps those chicks will think twice before âtouching sauceâ with Latinos next time, eh? :?
You are blaming guys, and btw, yours is NOT the only female voice around here. The guys are just as âinnocentâ as the gals, girlfriend.
It takes two to tango, or salsa, as it were.
This incident has nothing to do with xenophobia, and I donât think Taiwanese have already or will develop xenophobia because of the Paraguayan diplomatâs behavior. I donât even smell a little bit hatred to Paraguay after this! Where did you get that idea? On the other hand, nevertheless, if you got that message from what I said, then you can probably get an idea how Taiwanese girls could feel when tons of messages were posted here and there about how innocent foreigners were oppressed by Taiwanese psycho xiaojieâlike guys are totally and always innocent! Like I said, I just try to give a different opinion.
If any guy, foreigner or not, did the same thing like the Paraguayan did to any woman, foreigner or not, he did do something terribly wrong. Those girls were angry because when they wanted the guy to aggressively seek treatment of warts (Miss A. talked him into surgery last year but he refused to continued the treatment), he ridiculed them and threatened those girls by saying his ambassador would protest to Taiwanâs President if they complained again.
The mass media splashed him all over the news not because heâs a foreigner, but because 1.) he was a diplomat, B.) the girls had turned to legislators for help, 3.) the mass media handle news like cheap tabloid, as usual. If he were a nobody local or a nobody foreigner, the mass media might not spend so much time on him, and he would have been already sent to jail instead of getting away from this.
Like you said, I hope those girls involved and many others who watched the news have learned a big sex lesson.
If I get venereal warts should I contact my congressman? :s
B.B. I respect your enthusiasm for posting, and it is good to see that you have strong opinions. Make sure that they are grounded in fact, though, otherwise it will just weaken your argument. First of all, what do you mean âforced to have an abortionâ? Do you mean tied down to a bed kicking and screaming? Or do you mean not being supportive of choosing to give birth to a child? If I can not force a woman to have a baby, how can I force her to not have a baby, short of tying her down and assaulting her womb. I think you are referring to a case where the journalist in question did not receive the moral support she wanted from her lover. Rude, selfish and uncaring, yes, but not illegal. Now if he refused to pay child support, that would be illegal, at least in Canada. But telling your girlfriend to get an abortion is not âforcing herâ. Not under normal circumstances, anyway.
On to the Paraguayan diplomat thing. The man is innocent. Why? Because he has not been proven guilty. In democratic soccieties, the burden of proof is on the state (the police, the courts, the prosecuting attorney, etc.), not the individual. In other words, Mr. Paraguay doesnât have to prove heâs innocent, but whoever is accusing him has to prove heâs guilty. How can this be done? Not through the use of his medical records, thatâs for sure. Medical records are confidential under the law. It is illegal for anyone to disclose medical records of an individual without that individualâs consent, hospitals included.
Even if it were admissible, it still doesnât prove anything. Assuming that the medical records say he did have genital warts, who is to say the girl didnât infect the guy? We know she doesnât believe in safe sex, so assuming she wasnât a virgin when she met the man, itâs entirely possible. Itâs her word against his. No way for us to know. Also, please remember that this girl was anonymous, and her face/physical identity obscured. If she is willing to destroy this manâs reputation and career so publically, she should at least have the courage to go public with her own identity.
She also said that there were four other women in the same situation as her, one of whom had tried to commit suicide. âHow pathetic it is to be a Taiwanese,â the womanâs suicide note stated. âBecause as one, you can never have any injustice redressed.â What does this have to do with being Taiwanese? Do Taiwanese men never pass something nasty to their sexual partners? Never? Did she think that he didnât marry her because she was not Latin? Again, no names, no independent confirmation, just nameless, faceless accusations.
How can any man possibly defend himself against that kind of slander? I couldnât, but if I were innocent, I might go to the hospital, get my privates checked out and disclose my medical bill of health to the public, all because of an anonymous report.
But even this is not good enough for you. So even though itâs entirely possible this man is innocent, you condemn him, and discount any action he would take, even if it might point in the direction of his innocence.
Donât forget the political element involved here. This case was brought to the publicâs attention one and a half years after their relationship ended. Why? Because it coincided with a visit by the Paraguayan president to Taiwan, and was intended to embarrass him and Chen Shuibian. Donât forget, the only person who revealed her indentity in this case was a PFP legislator. We all know how much the PFP loves Chen Shuibian. They try to embarrass him using any tactics available to them, even when that information is blatantly untrue, as in the KTV ear-licking case.
Finally, the anonymous woman said she was unhappy with the way she was treated when she went to complain at the embassy. What on earth did she expect? Imagine for a moment that you are the British Ambassador to the United States in Washington DC, with a staff of over a hundred people. Imagine that an American girl approacches the Ambassador and says that one of the junior clerks gave her genital warts. What on earth would she expect the Ambassador to do? Fire him on this womanâs say-so? Ask him to unzip his trousers so that he could ahve a good look himself? Ridiculous. He would have told her (and rightly so) that he is very sorry for her distress but there is nothing he can do for her. And if he were a responsible man, he might make a mental note to have a private word with the man. Why private? Because these accusations were completely unsubstantiated.
B.B., if I were you, I would be less concerned about unproven and unprovable allegations, and more concerned about basic human rights in Taiwan. Judging from the tone of your posts, I guess you get most of your information from the gossip tabloids. Try thinking a little more analytically and objectively.
[url=Why needs to have a gf? - #4 by _monkey the way, this issue was discussed a while ago here.[/url]
I always suspected that, behind the scenes, the government quietly facilitated the sexual pecadilloes of foreign diplomatics (by inducing the cooperation of potential targets, etc.), while collecting dirt on it to file away just in case. Of course, that would have been only in the old days, before the squeaky-clean DPP puritans took over.
Excellent post Maoman. Furthermore, B.B.'s point that this is somehow important because the man is a diplomat not because he is a foreigner is illogical. All diplomats are foreigners.
Foreigners are considered fair game for slander and libel by the Taiwanese precisely because they have no legal rights whatsoever in Taiwan. It is a nice soft target for the media because an attack on a Taiwanese citizen would result in a libel case. The reason this sells newspapers and raises TV ratings is because it strikes a chord with the lowest common denominator of Taiwanese society who consider foreigners alternatively inferior, dangerous to women, and a necessary evil. This is a phenomenon which exists throughout the world and is of course not confined to Taiwan. Itâs called racism. Many countries enact and enforce laws to control this phenomenon. However, given that Taiwan cannot even establish a presumption of innocence, equality before the law, and a right to a fair trial, I suspect effective legislation on racial discrimination is a long way away.
while i agree that itâs pointless to argue about something that canât be proven one way or another, i would take a slightly different outlook. instead of âinnocent until proven guiltyâ, iâm more of the mindset that someoneâs ânot guilty until proven guilty.â as an example, in the uk(a country with what many would consider a much fairer justice system than either taiwan or paraguay), fewer than 8% of reported rape cases end in conviction. what does that mean? that only 8% of reported rapes are actually rapes? are the other 92% of reported rapists innocent of rape?
in the us, there have been cases where it was obvious that the defendent committed the crime, but were found not guilty because of a technicality(like an officer forgot to read him his miranda rights). is the defendent then innocent?
there are a lot of shades of grey in thereâŚ
Same thing.
It means that either the police arenât doing their job in colecting the necessary evidence to convict, the lawyers are giving the plaintiffs poor legal advice in terms of what is a winnable case, and or the legal system is flawed. There is another factor, and that is that in many cases, rape is, from a legal standpoint, difficult to prove and sometimes impossible to differentiate from consensual sex, e.g. a college frat party where a girl drinks too much and the next morning wakes up in someone elseâs bed. Was the sex consensual? Not if the victim was unable to make a rational decision.
[b]Yes. At least innocent in the eyes of the law, and therefore society. Donât take those technicalities too lightly. Theyâre there for a good reason. Miranda keeps cops honest. Without them, weâd have many more cases of tricked, manipulated confessions, police brutality, and so on. Of course, we always read about the most bizarre cases in the newspapers, and those are the ones that make us roll our eyes and despair for the future of the justice system. The fact is, cops are human, not infallible, and therefore will make mistakes sooner or later. We need laws in place to protect the wrongfully accused. How do we tell the wrongfully accused from the truly guilty? Easy. We donât. Thatâs what the justice system is in place for. If the law says someone is not guilty, then that person must be treated as not guilty. Itâs the only way we can protect the innocent among us.
Guilty in the eyes of God? Well, now youâre talking about sin, and thatâs something that we hold deep in our hearts, hidden from public view. Certainly not something for us to judge.[/b]
i would not classify ânot guiltyâ and âinnocentâ as the same thing. i do not believe âinnocentâ is a legal status. people are not found innocent or guilty, theyâre found guilty or not guilty.
our legal systems(speaking of ones in western democracies) are set up so that in order to protect the innocent, we allow that some guilty people are set free. that, in and of itself, implies that not everyone who is set free(or never convicted) is innocent. there are tons of crimes which are never solved. that doesnât make EVERYONE innocent of those crimesâŚthough our system requires that everyone be treated AS IF they were innocent.
while you were right to condem others who would assume the diplomatâs guilt without any proof, it is also wrong to declare his innocence without any proof. guilty and innocent are both absolutes which require evidence and judgement.
Coincidentally, I was talking with some Taiwanese friends today, when the topic of âarguing in publicâ came up. Now me Mum always told me I should NOT fight in public (when I say âfightâ, of course I just mean a âverbal spatâ), but it seems that many local girls are quite prepared to let it out of their system and blow their⌠cool in public, which Iâm told is some sort of ritual as she waits for her boyfriend to come towards her (at his risk) cowering, and proffering sweet words⌠The last time I tried this, well⌠the scratch marks have been on my arms for about a month now (hope theyâre not scars) and might suggest that some XiaoJieâs have not been trained in the not-so-gentle art of making enemies.
It seems to point to a cultural difference in managing anger. In a heated situation, I would rather walk away, cool down, and deal with the problem a little later when Iâm more composed. Strange, considering Iâm an Aries, huh? As a young lad I was advised by an Indonesian pendakar to ânever act when youâre angryâ. Anyway, my friends advised that she-who-is-to-be-known-as-the-former-xiaojie, wanted simply to be treated like a little Princess even though she was acting like sheâd been possessed by Beelzebub.
So when I told my friends that I couldnât put up with this kind of behaviour, they all looked at me with shocked amazement. âWhy didnât you just apologise and then give her sweet words?â, one girl asked. âBecause sheâs gone farkinâ psychoâ, I replied.
Another guy said, âI have an agreement whereby I apologise first, even if I know Iâm right, or if I donât know what it is that I might have done wrong⌠then she apologises to me later.â All the girls nodded and hmmmed with approval.
At the end of all of this, my packing up and getting out of that relationship has made me look like a bit of a bastard in the eyes of my Taiwanese friends, while she resembles bloody Goldilocks exiled in her farkinâ tower. Why? Because it seems that the behaviour of the Psycho Xiaojie is tolerated in this society.
I thought we could say a child was forced to do homework when his parents did not tie him to a chair or give him a gunshot to make him do that. But if you donât use the term that way, then sorry, I misunderstood the usage of expression. (he is made to, he is pressured to?). Thank you for your language correction, I mean it.
I did not mention âlegal or illegalâ on this case." Please reread my post. And âdid not receive the moral support she wanted form her loverâ is really understatement. I know you would not try to distort my words, so I believe you accidentally misunderstood my points.
The female journalist, over 40 when that happened, thought that maybe one of her few chances left to have a baby (quotes from hers). The guy (a Taiwanese politician) told her âIâm still married to my wife, (he actually had got divorce paper at that time), after I get divorce done, we can still have a baby.â (check all possible news sources for depth about the news if youâd like, but please not only limited to Taiwan News, Taipei Times, or only TV please. To gather information from more than one major Chinese dailys would help. The leading actress is
See, in this way, nobody really ever has to grow up or take responsibility for their actions. Itâs a win-win situation. 
Love is not asking from others, but is giving of yourself. 
A word of advice to âsomeâ of the girls out thereâŚ
If you donât want to see the Genie, then donât rub the lamp.
[quote=âAnonymousâ]She had always told me it didnât really matter to her anymore but when I made her really begin to talk about it she finally told me one day that because of it she was certain I was going to do the same thing to her one day too and that really scared her.
I looked her in the eyes and took her by the hands and told her I gave her my word I was never going to do that â that I would stay with her forever. I left off the part about wanting two of her that time though. For a moment as I held her hands I could almost see the little eight-year-old girl in her eyes the moment she had realized her dad wasnât coming home anymore and it really made me feel bad for her.
Since then sheâs never said another word about me wanting to go off and do something for a few hours without her. She even encourages me to do it. We havenât had another one of those psycho arguments. I have to do regular maintenance with her though and repeat what I said to her then but she seems to need to hear it less and less as time goes on.[/quote]
You are a brave, brave person to have had to mind to do such a thing. Althought I know this post is years old, itâs still a great example of what can happen when one party steps back and gives space to the other party. Basicly this guy 'got off â his own shit and therefore worked it all out. Makes you go hmmm âŚif we all could try that⌠:bravo:
Hahahahahaha, Maoman that was just farkinâ brilliant man. Do you do any professional writing? If not, you really should. You gave one of the most lucid explanations of the reasoning behind the American (and I assume Canadian) legal system that Iâve ever heard. Makes me proud to be starting law school soon, seriously.
BB, I didnât read your entire disseration you wrote in response to Maomanâs slam on your idiotic and baseless accusations, but right off the bat it came to a bad start with the issue of âforceâ. When we say that a child is forced to do his homework, I think itâs pretty obvious we donât mean it in the same sense as a âforced abortionâ. That calls to mind all kinds of Orwellian shite that really does happen in the Mainland.
Did he do it or notâŚwell, as Maoman says, that is the job of the justice system, not the tabloids. Listen, if this guy really did do this stuff, then I think heâs a king wanker and should be put in prison for many years. But as the accusations were faceless and baseless, we really have no idea, do we?
And people, it is innocent till proven guilty (as in the US), or itâs not. It isnât âneutralâ or something. The burden of proof is on the accusers, not the accused. Are you saying that a person should be assumed âpossiblyâ guilty, or what? That would make for some sticky laws now wouldnât it.
Oh and I know this thread is old but Iâm calling it back upâŚoh and weâre off topic. Anybody got some more good psycho xiaojie stories?
[quote=âBassmanâ]A word of advice to âsomeâ of the girls out thereâŚ
If you donât want to see the Genie, then donât rub the lamp.[/quote]
Thatâs a funny one Bassman.
So in the world what is so unusual about a woman becoming pregnant and being stood up by the guy she was with. Itâs sad but it happens.
Then again Iâm sure some of the Taiwan lasses do really try to do that on purpose to get married. A 40 year old woman desparate for a child doesnt need to have an abortion because her lover jilted her, or gave her another unexpected gift.
Note: I meant about the guy who may have knowingly spread disease, not the other case about the journalist getting knocked up. There should be a terrible punishment if someone is found guilty of spreading STDs intentionally; thatâs just crazy.