Research about sexual orientation (and its expression)

[OysterOmelet]

I surmise that 35% of women are bisexual. Yes, I trust my personal experience.

[Taiwan_Luthiers]

But you know for some reason bisexual women are more socially acceptable than bisexual men.

[BiggusDickus]

@Taiwan_Luthiers

But you know for some reason bisexual women are more socially acceptable than bisexual men.

Research consistently suggests that heterosexual women view bisexual men more negatively than homosexual men, while heterosexual men view bisexual women more positively than lesbians.

That’s the way it is. It’s not right, but it’s highly unlikely to be cultural.

[Terry_B]

I don’t find the issue of nature vs nurture in terms of sexuality to be that interesting because, as I’ve said elsewhere (and been called bigoted and prejudiced as a result) here, it appears to be mostly biological but that hardware doesn’t account for a certain percentage of cases.

Like. Most. Everything.

What is interesting is perception. If you ask people to estimate how many calories they consume in a day, how far they walk, how much the average person spends on essentially anything or…what percentage of the population is homosexual, we’re fairly convinced we know the answers and that our answers are accurate.

In nearly every instance, we’re wrong.

For homosexuality, people assume that 10% of the population is gay and that it’s far more common for women whereas, from decent studies in western countries, that number appears nearer to 2% of men and 0.5% of women as ‘completely’ homosexual.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301639075_Sexual_Orientation_Controversy_and_Science

Numbers are harder to determine but fairly consistent across the animal kingdom, with notable exceptions. Animals that use sex for more than procreation seem to be more likely to have same-sex relations than species who only copulate to reproduce. Thus, nature!

For some countries it’s higher. For some countries it’s lower. Unless a person seriously wants to argue for water making the frogs (and people!) gay, obviously we have some kind situation in which societal acceptance and environment plays a role. I’ve heard leftist ‘scholars’ argue that transgenderism is far more common than we believe because of high rates in Iran, which makes you pause…until you remember how the country treats gay men. Nurture!

As several people have already mentioned, it’s nearly impossible to separate things into neat packages and the only unreasonable perspective is 100/0 in either direction.

[BiggusDickus]

Heterosexual male has wife/female partner say “I’m bisexual. Do you fancy a threesome with a lesbian friend?” What percentage of males reply" Yes, please."?

Heterosexual female has husband/male partner say “I’m bisexual. Do you fancy a threesome with a gay male friend?”. What percentage of females reply “Yes, please.”?

We can kid ourselves about the obvious until we’re blue in the face.

I put it down to a combination of hormones and obvious evolutionary factors. Of course it isn’t morally right, but it’s an obvious truth. There will be some outliers, there always are.

[Explant]

Why isnt it morally right? If the question wa posed and answered openly, where is the moral conflict?

@tando yes i agree it is pretty normal for humans to need to lean on something. Totally agree, i just think, religion will eventually due off and be replaced with science and technology in its place. In ways that likely wont be much different. Religion certainly has an expuration date as its becomming more and more apparent how fake the systems are.

Almost certainly science will discover some super crazy form of energy that explains this and that, and the religious folk will have a face saving out and we can all get on with it after that event putting us all more or less on the same page. Thats where my money is anyway.

[BiggusDickus]

@Explant

Why isnt it morally right? If the question wa posed and answered openly, where is the moral conflict?

@tando yes i agree it is pretty normal for humans to need to lean on something. Totally agree, i just think, religion will eventually due off and be replaced with science and technology in its place. In ways that likely wont be much different. Religion certainly has an expuration date as its becomming more and more apparent how fake the systems are.

Almost certainly science will discover some super crazy form of energy that explains this and that, and the religious folk will have a face saving out and we can all get on with it after that event putting us all more or less on the same page. Thats where my money is anyway.

It’s not morally right to judge people according to non-harmful behaviour. However, you have raised the question of whether I’m being judgemental by judging people for being judgemental.

I hope I’m replying to the correct post. You didn’t quote me.

[Explant]

@BiggusDickus

@Explant

Why isnt it morally right? If the question wa posed and answered openly, where is the moral conflict?

@tando yes i agree it is pretty normal for humans to need to lean on something. Totally agree, i just think, religion will eventually due off and be replaced with science and technology in its place. In ways that likely wont be much different. Religion certainly has an expuration date as its becomming more and more apparent how fake the systems are.

Almost certainly science will discover some super crazy form of energy that explains this and that, and the religious folk will have a face saving out and we can all get on with it after that event putting us all more or less on the same page. Thats where my money is anyway.

It’s not morally right to judge people according to non-harmful behaviour. However, you have raised the question of whether I’m being judgemental by judging people for being judgemental.

I hope I’m replying to the correct post. You didn’t quote me.

Ya, getting confusing. Was wondering why 3 somes are morally wrong. I very likely could have read your post wrong. Not a judgement, just a question.

[OysterOmelet]

@BiggusDickus

@Taiwan_Luthiers

But you know for some reason bisexual women are more socially acceptable than bisexual men.

Research consistently suggests that heterosexual women view bisexual men more negatively than homosexual men, while heterosexual men view bisexual women more positively than lesbians.

That’s the way it is. It’s not right, but it’s highly unlikely to be cultural.

Most lesbians arent very good looking.

[BiggusDickus]

@OysterOmelet

@BiggusDickus

@Taiwan_Luthiers

But you know for some reason bisexual women are more socially acceptable than bisexual men.

Research consistently suggests that heterosexual women view bisexual men more negatively than homosexual men, while heterosexual men view bisexual women more positively than lesbians.

That’s the way it is. It’s not right, but it’s highly unlikely to be cultural.

Most lesbians arent very good looking.

They’re probably not like online porn, but I have no idea what this has to do with my post.

[BiggusDickus]

@Explant

@BiggusDickus

@Explant

Why isnt it morally right? If the question wa posed and answered openly, where is the moral conflict?

@tando yes i agree it is pretty normal for humans to need to lean on something. Totally agree, i just think, religion will eventually due off and be replaced with science and technology in its place. In ways that likely wont be much different. Religion certainly has an expuration date as its becomming more and more apparent how fake the systems are.

Almost certainly science will discover some super crazy form of energy that explains this and that, and the religious folk will have a face saving out and we can all get on with it after that event putting us all more or less on the same page. Thats where my money is anyway.

It’s not morally right to judge people according to non-harmful behaviour. However, you have raised the question of whether I’m being judgemental by judging people for being judgemental.

I hope I’m replying to the correct post. You didn’t quote me.

Ya, getting confusing. Was wondering why 3 somes are morally wrong. I very likely could have read your post wrong. Not a judgement, just a question.

Is that honestly how you read my post? A criticism of threesomes?

[jdsmith]

@BiggusDickus

That’s the way it is. It’s not right, but it’s highly unlikely to be cultural.

Not even following this thread, but why isn’t it right? What’s the argument?

[tando]

@Terry_B

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301639075_Sexual_Orientation_Controversy_and_Science

Maybe this is the direct link
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1529100616637616

If how strongly someone is sexually attracted to each gender is independent, deciding factors are more complicated.

[BiggusDickus]

@jdsmith

@BiggusDickus

That’s the way it is. It’s not right, but it’s highly unlikely to be cultural.

Not even following this thread, but why isn’t it right? What’s the argument?

Biphobia.

I don’t think it’s morally right because it’s mean.

[tando]

@BiggusDickus

Biphobia

is it nature or nurture?

[BiggusDickus]

@tando

@BiggusDickus

Biphobia

is it nature or nurture?

It’s a neologism, but my hunch would be nature.

[jdsmith]

@BiggusDickus

It’s a neologism, but my hunch would be nature.

So, you’ll go nurture over nature in this case or all cases of what is socially moral and ethically Right?

[tando]

I’ve heard human being is a social animal.

[jdsmith]

@tando

I’ve heard human being is a social animal.

Ya well, what if being social is an instinct?

[BiggusDickus]

@jdsmith

@BiggusDickus

It’s a neologism, but my hunch would be nature.

So, you’ll go nurture over nature in this case or all cases of what is socially moral and ethically Right?

No I wouldn’t. I would lean towards evolutionary psychology to suggest why, and a moral perspective to suggest wrong and right.